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  1. There are far too many fakes out there to sit here in detail to tell you what to look for. Each type of grenade has it's own set of details to ID real or fake. Best bet is always ask before buying, especially if you dont have a clue. Also dont always believe the seller, as not all are stand up or even know themselves if it's real or not. I have seen good sellers sell fakes/replicas/reproductions/etc as real before and the excuse is usually "I didn't know" so you have to be careful in any collectable hobby, as there are tons of fakes/replicas/reproductions/etc. A lot are getting so good they can fool even experts. I have attached photos that can help you on the 3 main type of US grenades that are the most faked out of all and the most likely ones that people come across. The photos are not 100% perfect in ways to ID, but give you enough to work with to help you ID them.
  2. Unfortunately both of those are modern fakes. Value is about $5 each.
  3. Also a note about old ordnance, I can confirm a lot of old, 60s,70s,and 80s dated ordnance was used up in early Afganistan days. I remember M72A2s and A3s, M67s, LV 40mm grenades etc being used. I didn't seen old claymores that old but I'm sure there was plenty out there. In some cases even being shot for practice to use it up and get rid of it. We all know manufactures were chomping at pushing for new contracts, everyone had money signs in their eyes. I'm glad I'm not ty he only one that noticed this, I wish more grunts took notice of stuff like this, it's small stuff like.this that makes cool history, especially those who are ordnance collectors and historians. Thanks for the photos, if it's ok I would like to save them for reference.
  4. Hello, I can confirm that the brown bandoleirs are indeed early ones. Also over the years I was told that SOG and other elite units were issued the brown ones and regular units green. I have talked to an old SOG guy and he said he remembers the brown ones. I'm not sure if it issued that way or if it was a certain manufacture or if it was certain rounds that had brown ones. I can tell you that I opened a sealed crate of them a few years ago, from colt, that was sitting there since late 60s and they had the brown bandoleirs in them and same plastic holders as you posted. I'll go and check my photos of the crate and see what the dates, lot number, manufacture etc of that crate and contents.
  5. Thanks for the info, interesting to see they were working on the updated fuzes that early. The MK2A1 during VN also used the M204 fuze.
  6. The M20 bazooka is actually pretty common to find, earlier versions like the M9 are the hard ones to find and are much more valuable. Recent sales and value are about $600-700, some have got more but most I see sell for that. The practice rounds are common too about $75-125 each.
  7. This is actually a real pre war HE MK2, it was painted at some point blue, may have been used for training but it started as a real HE. The fill plug is missing from the bottom.
  8. This is a MK2 practice grenade. Has the threaded offset hole that early MK2 practice grenades have. The color Robin blue is correct as well.
  9. These are real MK2 practice grenades. They are not the later M21. MK2 practice grenades had offset threaded holes in the bottom, also had various manufacturers so the markings can vary. Later M21 practice grenades where mostly RFX made, not to be confused with the RFX marked cast fakes. The paint is incorrect as they would have been the robin color blue used at that time period, looks like some buddy spray painted them that color as you can see the blue underneath. That color and sheen of green wasn't used by the military. The fuzes are the later M10 series 3, found on grenades used at the end of WW2 and later. These bodies would be early war to mid war I believe.
  10. Really nice stuff there. Very hard to find these crates now a days. So many were repurposed, used for fire wood, etc that finding them today not in a collection is uncommon.
  11. Your right, in general the MK2 grenades and related stuff is somewhat a enigma in the ordnance world. There are many maker marks that still haven't been IDed yet, even the color change there is no 100% agreement on when it happened and how. We do know that some were painted in the field as there is photo evidence but no one can agree if it was a GI mod at that time of photo or an ordered one. Also there is different body variants which conflict the timeline of development and no one can agree on when the MK2A2 was adopted and how to properly ID them (other by stated fuze use, which can't be use to ID bodies now because someone could have mismatched fuzes and bodies). It's funny that something that was a major piece of ordnance there is so little detailed documentation to set the record straight. I'll pull out the examples of tubes I have and post pics for reference.
  12. Thanks Dirt detective, this will make it easier to ID the replica cans. I will now have to check mine with this new info.
  13. Your correct, but it's still an original can, which is too my point I made. Like I said multiple times most sell in the average range of $30-65, sometimes getting a little more but never seen any sell for $100 or more. Also just to point out there are some wartime M41 MK2 cans that arent embossed with the Hand Grenade MK2.
  14. That's the same thing I have struggled with for awhile now. I usually stick to inert ordnance and related now a days with my collecting and have noticed a uptick in replicas, repros and restored items. Some are just benign and obvious but others are made and restored for one goal, money and greed. Ordnance and related items have skyrocketed in prices and is getting harder and harder to find certain items, so now its viable for people to make fakes. Also technology has got to the point where even regular unskilled people can make stuff where it used to be a very skilled activity. To me any repro, replica and restored items hurt the collecting community unless they are well marked as such but unfortunately most are not. That makes it very difficult for new collectors getting into the game. I can't tell you how many times people buy those junk chinese gun show cast grenades thinking they are real and sometimes for big bucks only to find out later that got scammed and they are not real. And those are about as easy as it gets spotting a fake, as anything can be. So that just shows you the damage it can have on the collecting community and I wont go into all the other stuff like German/Nazi stuff that's faked. The other thing is people taking a nice but rusty or worn items and restoring them to look nice, ruining the originality of the item and even sometimes incorrectly restoring it. There are more and more dealers and sellers doing this now a days to maximize profit, but for the most part all it does is remove the originality of items (there are some however that it's good to restore if it's already so gone or bad enough in the first place). So it really comes down to each person's view on this issue but I would say for most collectors it's a bad thing. I will add there are certain situations where it can be positive, like making stuff for movies, reenacting, etc were you dont want to ruin or use real/original items. But I would say if you are making them for that, at least mark them replica or something. None the less, when there is money to be made there will always be fakes, just look to history, pretty much everything has been faked or replicated over the years, even back thousands of years.
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