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  1. Here are some photos of a WWII colonel wearing the full size eagle rank insignia on his garrison cap, and another colonel with one on his shirt collar. Weren't clutch-back insignia used for shirt collars? It seems like pin-back ones would hang down. But I haven't seen any full size colonel rank insignia from WWII with clutch backs. I have seen clutch-backs on miniature 1" ones from the 1920s and also from the Vietnam era, but none in full size with clutch-backs from WWII. Lots of pin-back ones, though, which were usually used on the shoulders of the tunic.
  2. (Last question) Under "Shirt, Service" (p. 131), it lists the following... Authorized Wool Shirts: No. 01 = Khaki No. 50 = Yellowish green or "mustard" No. 51 = Dark brownish green or "chocolate" No. 54 = Olive Drab 54 Light Shade (Grayish taupe/khaki that appears "pink" in certain conditions) also “Taupe” Authorized Cotton Shirts: No. 01 = Khaki It does not specify which shirts go with the winter or the summer uniform, but I'll assume that all the wool shirts go with the winter uniform, and the cotton with the summer. Technically, based on the book, one could say that an officer would be authorized to wear a winter uniform consisting of OD51 tunic, OD54 pinks trousers, 01 khaki shirt and khaki tie. The problem is that the "tan" 01 khaki shirt looks really strange with the "pinks" OD54 trousers. I have seen a lot of movies (Memphis Belle included) where the officers appear to be wearing this combination (with the tunic), but it never shows the combo without the tunic. (Maybe because it's just to hard for the movie companies to find the exact shade of the pinks material. I know that I bought an Eastman "Rangoon" Pinks Shirt, and it wasn't even close; more of a dark greenish gray. Almost impossible to find genuine pinks shirts for anything but tiny people.) Do you know if khaki (tan) wool shirts were ever worn with pinks trousers (without the tunic)? I'm thinking that in real life (not movie life), when wearing the Class A winter uniform, the khaki shirt might have been worn with the dark OD51 trousers, and mostly the OD51 chocolate shirt and OD54 pinks shirt was worn with the pinks trousers. (The OD50 mustard shirt looks cool too, but I haven't found many photos of officers wearing that. Seems like most of the higher ranking officers wore the pinks shirt, and most of the pilots wore the chocolate.) Thanks, David
  3. MattS's post about overseas caps (renamed “garrison caps” in 1940) brings up some interesting questions… These caps came in 2 flavors: Olive Drab #51 “chocolate” in wool (winter), and Khaki #1 in cotton (summer) You mentioned that either could be worn, however, judging from most (not all) of the photos in this post, it seems that USAAF servicemen wearing a khaki shirt are wearing a khaki cotton garrison cap, and servicemen wearing an OD #51 chocolate wool shirt are wearing an OD #51 wool garrison cap. Let’s say it’s 1943, and I’m a USAAF field officer (2nd or 1st Lieut., Capt., Maj., 2nd Lieut., or Col.), stationed in England. I’m going to a big dance, which I know will be a great morale booster for my men… In the movie, “Memphis Belle,” there is a dance scene with a big band in a hanger, where all the servicemen are wearing their Class A winter tunics. Some also have their Class A service caps (but are not wearing them). Even though they are in England, where the winter uniform was usually worn year-round, there is no way that you could dance in one of those heavy wool uniforms, especially with the addition of a wool shirt and heavy wool “Pinks” trousers. I played in a big band for years, and have also danced to them, and I swear I didn’t know my body could produce so much sweat! Perhaps they just got it wrong in the movie, but in most of the WWII photos I see of servicemen dancing to big bands, it appears that they are wearing Class B lightweight khaki shirts and trousers, and they arrive wearing the khaki garrison cap. Perhaps rank has something to do with it; I could see how enlisted men would arrive in khaki Class B uniforms, and be going nuts picking up all the “birds,” working up a sweat, doing the Lindy Hop, etc. And maybe the officers, being older men, might already be married, and might not be into swing music, coming from an older generation; therefore, they might arrive in their Class A tunic and service cap (to keep up appearances and respect for the rank), and just watch. Or were ALL servicemen supposed to wear their Class A uniform to social events?) The reason I bring this up, is that I go to a reenactment each year where I live, and I’m going as a USAAF colonel because of my age. (I could never pull off being a cadet!) I would be wearing the Class A wool tunic, wool pinks shirt, and wool pinks trousers. If I wanted to dance with my wife, I would need to remove my tunic, place the appropriate pins on my shirt collar, and dance away. (I don’t think there was a “Pinks” garrison cap, so if I went to a dance without the tunic, I guess the OD garrison cap wouldn’t clash as much with the Pinks shirt as the khaki garrison cap, right? (Sorry this was so long.)
  4. I have the 1944 one. I found it on Amazon of all places, for $8.95!
  5. Perfect; the drawings spell it all out. Thanks Justin!
  6. I can't find any official references to wearing division insignia (in this case, Prop & Wings) on the Overseas Garrison Cap. The 1944 version of The Officer's Guide says that when not wearing a tunic, the division pin goes on the left shirt collar, and the rank pin goes on the right shirt collar. It also says that only the rank pin is worn on the left side of the Overseas Garrison Cap. I saw the photos of folks with the Prop & Wings pin on the left side of the cap (where the rank pin is supposed to go), but that may have just been done for the photo. Not an official place to wear the prop and wings as far as I can tell...
  7. Yes, I meant bigger than the collar one. Your English is perfect, by the way. Thanks again!
  8. Interesting. Maybe some of the manufacturers though that bigger was better (to compete with other brands)?
  9. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I see a lot of those large "Cap-size" prop and wings pins on eBay; not many re-enactors want to be a cadet, so I don't know how many ever get sold. My impression was that the sweetheart pins were either mini-versions of the regular pins, sometimes encased in an acrylic heart, sometimes with a small chain and a locket, etc.
  10. Thanks Scott, but that link requires me to log in, and I am not registered with that site.
  11. Great info everyone. Now I can sleep. Thanks so much for clearing this up. What an awesome site this is!
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