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  1. Another nice aspect of this uniform is that the 81st Armored Brigade no longer wears that patch. I'm pretty sure that the 2004 Iraq deployment is the first time that patch was worn in combat. They transitioned to a Stryker Brigade around 2015 and as part of the Associated Unit program they now wear the 2nd Infantry Division patch. All of the stateside 2nd Infantry Division brigades are actually subordinate to the 7th Infantry Division because the 2nd ID Hq is in South Korea.
  2. Our reversed 2nd ID patches weren't Iraqi made. The 3rd Brigade 2nd ID commander had them made in the states. They were very high quality. The 1st Cav patch on the uniform posted also looks American made to me. It's too nice for theatre made. After we received our reversed 2nd ID patches, the local shops started making them. Some were really bad but there were some pretty good quality patches for sale at the Mosul Airfield shop. When I asked where they were made they said "the Baghdad factory". I picked up quite a few from there. The early deployments to Iraq were really interesting from a collector's standpoint. There were plenty of Iraqi uniforms for sale for just a few dollars, you could have your DCUs modified at the local sew shop, custom made patches, etc. There was also just about any weapon you could think of floating around over there. I even came by a British Boys Anti-tank rifle from WW II. I really tried to get that back to the states (legally) with zero luck as you can imagine. I think all of freelancing with the uniforms went away after the ACU started to be issued in 2005.
  3. The combat patch is definitely from being attached or OPCON to the 1st Cav. The 81st had a theatre security mission and various elements were sent to different locations. Your Soldier was probably assigned to the 1st Bn 161st Infantry that was attached to the 1st Cav in Baghdad. It was not uncommon in OIF II to see reversed combat patches. When we got ours from the 3rd Stryker Brigade, 2nd infantry Division the Indian head was reversed so it faced forward when worn on the right shoulder. None of the reversed patches were officially approved by the Army. Ours didn't last beyond our demobilization at Fort Bragg. The 101st, 1st ID, and 4th ID were all wearing full color shoulder insignia in Iraq 2003/2004. The 3rd Id wore the division patch on their helmets, the 101st had brigade level patches on theirs. I think every unit was trying to come up with something cool to set them apart. Once everyone got back to the states and back in BDUs all of that stuff went away.
  4. I'm fairly certain (99 %) that the wear out date for the khakis was 30 September 1985 along with the OG 107 and permanent press uniforms.
  5. I served in Mosul Iraq in 2004. The only Soldier I saw wearing the CCU who was not part of 3-2 SBCT was BG Carter Ham. He is in the photo posted above right above Rumsfeld. He's wearing a First Corps patch with a Ranger tab over it. First Corps supplied the troops for Task Force Olympia that was the HQ for northern Iraq. This photo was taken right before the 11th ACR replaced Task Force Olympia. He retired a four star general and I found him to be a good, common sense leader.
  6. The issued poncho liner were not treated with any chemicals so they are safe to use. They are a great piece of gear.
  7. Looks fine to me. I was in Iraq in 2004 and spent a month at Fort Bragg to get our DCU's and other gear before we shipped to Iraq. That looks typical of any uniform sewn at one of the many sew shops off base. The color of the thread and the color of the embroidery on the name tape and U.S. Army tape are identical to mine. The combat patch and CIB would most likely have been added overseas but every big base and even some smaller ones had sew shops. A good way to be sure is to turn the shirt inside out and view the areas where items are sewn on the uniform. If they have been on there for some time the material will be somewhat puckered at those locations. Based on the tag that uniform was well worn so the puckering should be there if the patches are original to the jacket. Oh, one other item. There should be evidence of the flag being sewn on the right sleeve a half inch below the shoulder seam. It would have been moved down after the combat patch was sewn on, unless that Soldier already had an 82nd combat patch from an earlier deployment. That is not impossible for an E4 at that time, but probably unlikely. All that being said anything is really possible at that time period. For example, in Jan of 2004 some DCU sizes were in short supply so I was issued two new tops and two used tops. The used tops were really used and based on the shadows the original owner was from a USASOC unit. So if someone else got hold of one of my tops they would probably say it was a put together because the shirts are really worn but the patches and other items look much newer. Also there would be distinct evidence looking at the inside of the jacket that other patches were there first. We also had some of our uniforms modified by adding pockets, zippers, etc. We also bought some barely used USAF contract DCUs as spares. So a collector would say an Army Soldier would not have been issued USAF DCUs so the uniform is a fake, but we wore them and some made for the civilian market such as Tru Spec. I had two uniforms that were dated 1991 so many collectors would either say they were from late Guplh War period or the in between deployments to Kuwait. We also had or bought patches made in theatre so some of those patches look almost new because we bought them late in our tour, while the name tapes etc, look well worn. So in some cases, unless you wore that uniform, you'd never know if it was real or a put together.
  8. Just a few thoughts. Many are looking to the jump back in Vietnam in 1967 for the combat jump wings which is very unlikely for someone wearing a DCU. However we had several Soldiers in my unit in Iraq that jumped in Panama with the 82nd in 1989. A senior NCO would have served in many units by the time they hit E9. Just because they jumped with the 82nd doesn't mean they have to wear that as their combat patch. In Iraq, at that time, most units were having a combat patch ceremony at around the 90 day mark of a deployment. At that point you could wear the combat patch of the unit you were currently assigned to, or one that you were awarded previously. Many on this forum always assume the combat patch signifies a uint you were previously assigned to. That was not the case in Iraq. It could be a previous assignment, your current unit, or a higher unit your unit was assigned to, or you were under their operational control. Its was not unusual to leave theatre with documentation for multiple combat patches. I was there in 2004 and was awarded four. After the DCU was no longer being worn, the rules for which combat patch you wore were tightened up, but they were pretty loose in the DCU era (2001 till around late 2005).
  9. Here's one. Not a dress uniform but I have one I've never been able to solve. I have a model 42 paratrooper jacket from WW II. I've had it for about 30 years. In the pocket was a hand written 3x5 index card saying: 507 P.D. Garcia PFC D-Day Holland Bastogne The laundry stamp is: G 1370. I don't know what the P.D. (or it could be O) means. I assume they meant 507th Parachute Infantry regiment. I've tried to figure this one out before with no luck. The jacket was well worn with a 17th Airborne patch on the left shoulder. The 507th was assigned to the 82nd until after the Normandy campaign. After that they were assigned to the 17th Airborne who did fight at Bastogne but weren't part of Market Garden in Holland. So I'm not sure the card is correct but who knows, maybe this Soldier stayed with the 82nd and was later transferred to the 17th before Bastogne. Thanks.
  10. Interesting. I did a three week rotation at the NTC at Fort Irwin Ca. in July of 1991. While there, I noticed a number of the Soldiers stationed there wearing rip stop six color DCUs. I asked them about it and they said they were issued different types of experimental uniforms in an effort too find a lighter weight desert uniform. I'm fairly certain they looked identical to what you have posted here. Thanks for posting these.
  11. This is a horrible idea and a terrible waste of money. The ASU was introduced in 2008. It took over seven years to get one to every Soldier. The wear out date for the Army Green service uniform was just three years ago in 2015 now they want to change it .....again. When I enlisted we had the Army Green uniform. Then in 1993 they changed the color to a slightly different shade of green (AG344 to AG489) and placed pleats on the shirt pockets. So everyone had to go out and buy a new uniform. You couldn't even tell the difference between the two unless you saw the old and new green next to each other. Then another new uniform in 2008, just 15 years later, and now this thing. Having just retired a couple years ago I can tell you that the average enlisted Soldier (unless working at the Pentagon other high HQ) almost never wears their service uniform. Even when I first came in back in 1985, I only remember wearing my service uniform twice in the first six years. The earlier comment about the Army having a large stock of ACUs and looking to re-dye them is not correct. Basically, all of the uniforms have been issued. They are still authorized for wear until 1 Oct of next year. What they are looking at re-dyeing is all the gear, ruck sacks, pouches, ponchos, etc. They are looking at dyeing them a brown color but no decision has been made on that. All the old UCP gear is only used by state side units only, so it really doesn't matter what color it is.
  12. My brother went through USMC boot camp at Parris Island SC from August-Dec 1977. He was issued two green dominant slant pocket uniforms and two what he called "green sateen" OG 107 uniforms. I don't remember seeing any of the Marines in his company wearing the brown dominant ones. Once he was assigned to his unit I saw Marines wearing a mixture of green dominant, brown dominant, RDF pattern, slant pocket, straight pockets, etc. Including wearing jackets of one pattern and trousers of another. Like others, I have also seen quite a few sets with mixed patterns on the same jacket or trousers. I also have a close friend who was in Viet Nam in 1970/1971. He was in the Recon company of the 2nd/502nd 101st Airborne. He has quite a few color photos from that time. All of his ERDL uniforms were the green dominant type. This is true of all of his team members also. I've always wondered just how many of the brown dominant ERDL uniforms made their way to Vietnam. I'm sure some did but most of those I have seen I believe were worn post war. I have quite a few with the USMC with eagle globe and anchor stamp on the left pocket. I think that was only used post war. Maybe someone who knows for certain can clarify that. I also have some sets worn by the 82nd Airborne in the late 70s and early 80s which were also issued post war. One last thought. I have a whole lot of green dominant sets, but only one full set of the brown dominant type. Lots of tops but only one set of trousers. Has anyone else experienced a scarcity of the brown dominant trousers?
  13. sigsaye is correct. I have an as new 1966 dated pair of black leather combat boots and the laces are the "skinny" braided nylon.
  14. So I found my old write up, minus pictures, so I thought I'd repost it here. My comments are related only to the U.S. Army. Every service wore the BDU but I am only familiar with how they were worn/issued in the Army. The Woodland BDU was first authorized for wear on 1 Oct. 1981. It's purpose was, for the first time, to provide all Soldiers with a cammo uniform. Prior to its introduction, most Soldiers were wearing the poly/cotton durable press OG 507 utility uniform introduced in 1975 or the older cotton version of the same uniform. Select units like the Ranger Battalions, the 82nd Airborne, 101st Airborne, SF, etc. were either wearing the old OG 107 jungle fatigues, the brown dominant slant pocket ERDL uniform, or more commonly the woodland variant of the RDF pattern cammo. The first version of the BDU was made with a heavy weight 50/50 cotton/nylon material. The identifying features are the large "butterfly" or "Elvis" collar. The top pockets are sewn flat on the outside and the inside and bottom have are bellowed to allow the pocket to expand. The bottom pockets have a bellows on both sides and the bottom. The cuff is adjusted by a tab with two buttons. All 1981 contract BDU's have white tags, most 1982 and after uniforms have a light green tag. Experience in Grenada led the Army to tweak the jackets design and to introduce a new lightweight 100 % cotton rip stop version n 1985. After the introduction of the lightweight BDU, the Army referred to the heavyweight version as the "temperate BDU" and the lightweight version as the "hot weather BDU". Both were permitted for wear year round but you could not mix and match uniform components. Identifying features are the smaller collar and an adjusting tab at the waist. The upper pockets were now sewn flat on the inside and the bellows were moved to the outside of the pocket. The light weight version faded quickly and wore out under hard use. The next version came out somewhere around 1993. The identifying features were the removal of the waist adjusting tabs on the jacket, the bottom pockets were now sewn flat on the bottom and inside edge with the bellows to the outside. Three inches of material were removed from the waist to present a trimmer appearance, and finally the cuffs were now changed from an adjusting tab to a normal shirt style cuff. The hot weather version was identical. All of the hot weather 100 % cotton BDUs I have in this style from this time period have an asterisk at the top of the size tag. If I remember correctly, this version was supposed to be made in 50/50 nylon cotton material but that change was delayed so the asterisk was put on the tag to signify that the uniform was still 100 % cotton. The final change was the Enhanced Hot Weather BDU that came out in 1996. This version was the same style as the above but was made in the 50/50 nylon cotton material. This change was made primarily to enhance the durability of the hot weather uniform. A new lightweight hat of the same material came out the same time. The Woodland BDU was in use from 1 Oct 1981 until its wear out date of 30 April 2008. Other services wore it well beyond that date. It was an excellent uniform for its time and the heavy weight version wore like iron. It was copied by Armies around the world and was worn by the U.S. Army in places like Grenada, Panama, Haiti, Bosnia, Kosovo, Desert Storm and during the later stages of the Cold War. Throughout its service life the Army made no distinction between the various styles and all were authorized for wear until the wear out date was established. The DCU version certainly saw more action but modern body armor exposed its short comings leading to the introduction of the ACU in 2005.
  15. One other item. The Army never distinguished between any of the BDU changes or types, other than not mixing temperate and hot weather uniform items. So, a 1981 Elvis collar BDU was still authorized for wear on the final wear out date of April 30th 2008. There were also small changes related to button locations, the type of cuff, sewn down pockets, small pleats on the trouser knees, etc. Also, there were a lot of BDUs that were not issued for years after they were in the system. So it was not unusual for a first pattern BDU to pop up years after the newer patterns were in common use. I had written a BDU guide that I posted on the forum some years ago but all the pictures are now gone. I should really update it with new pictures and repost it.
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