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    I have always had an interest in firearms. Since my 5th birthday I was given collectables from my father. Mostly commemoratives and always told 'Don't shoot these'. My Father is now in the late stages of Alzheimers. A few years ago I pulled out the one military rifle he had given me over the years. It is a Winchester M1 Carbine he brought home from the PTO in WWII. At that time I knew nothing about military arms. Since, the Carbine bug has bite me hard and I confess to being an addict. I hope to be able to bring my knowledge of US M1 Carbines to the forum and take what info I can from the members here on the other fields of collecting WWII gear. I'll also be trying to track down my Fathers military history. I hope to contribute and carry away knowledge from this board.<br />Regards<br />Charlie-painter777
  1. kwill, Appreciate your input.
  2. Maybe shipped through the Navy and marked U.S. PROPERTY because so many were for lend lease. I believe I read (or dreamed ) that the NAVY marked ones were the rarest in totals.
  3. The S has to do with if it was originally built with the improved hammer block. IIRC if originally built with the hammer block it would have the S machine stamped. The S would also be found on the upper left corner of the right side plate. If the S is found being hand stamped, it was added after production. Best I can remember right now.... Cheers, Charlie-Painter777 HERE..... See Moore's Cool Gun Site, http://www.coolgunsite.com/ CLICK ON 'REV. GALLERY'.......... NOW SCROLL DOWN THE PAGE TO: WWII VICTORY MODEL NOTES PAGES........ SEE; OTHER COMMON MARKINGS,
  4. French Model 1885 37 MM. Used by the French and Americans during WI and early/limited use in WWII. The gun was either used on a fixed tripod or wheeled carriage. Initially 2 types of Ammunition were used, a 1-pound solid steel shell and a high explosive round filled with black powder.. I believe the PDP stands for the factory, “Pouderies de Paris”, and 37-85 means 37mm model of 1885. The 1.17 is the manufacture date, January 1917. The number 334 is most likely the lot number. The Flaming cannon ball Ordnance inspectors acceptance stamp. I recall seeing a couple styles of the cannon ball/flames. Maybe the difference being one style French vs American stamp ? IDK for sure but believe the early US M1917 Renault tanks may have used these. There was a lot of 37mm use, much more than I know about. Here is a past auction with a round like yours: https://www.soldusa.com/Listing/Details/6329151/WW1-French-Hotchkiss-37mm-Shell-HS-3785-PDPs-411-9-17-with-Flaming-Bomb-Inert I found a picture, just not sure if it's a Model of 1916 or 1885... Let us know if it's loaded Cheers, Charlie-Painter777
  5. Have you found out who the maker is? When magnified, your 2nd picture looks to show letters near the bottom on the right side lock plate. I don't know enough about these to be able to tell if it's a converted from Flintlock to Percussion. I do know that often the side plate/lock were purchased pre-made from small makers and the name on the lock/plate will often be that of it's supplier. Most often (I'm told) the Gunsmiths name would appear (If any) on the barrel. Any way I was able to find one that has some similarities to yours. Here's the link to more pics/info: https://www.antiques-atlas.com/antique/19th_c_percussion_pistol/as093a4491 Keep us posted and Good Luck, Charlie-Painter777
  6. firstflabn, NO not the Wet Noodle !!! I've always appreciated your input. I envy your knowledge and ability to research the records. And I have enjoyed your posts on many different forums for quite a few years now. But as far as crowds go... I try to stay away from them. If I do find myself in one for some reason the strangest SOB there will find me... Thanks for the info. Cheers, Charlie-Painter777
  7. Big Thanks to The Carbine Collector's Club for preserving the reports written by Mr. Bill Ricca. I was able to find Bill's report about GL's. In his 'History of the M7A1, M7A2, and M7A3 Grenade Launchers, The Recoiling Grenade Launchers' article. Bill wrote about the problems with grenadiers carrying a M1 rifle having to take the GL off to have semi-auto capabilities. Early 1945 " As long as the M7 remained on the rifle, the gas system remained opened. To re-gain semi-automatic capability the operator had to remove the launcher, which disabled it in its role as the rifle squad's grenadier. The constant removal and mounting of the M7 led to high losses. According to ordnance documents between 15% and 20% of M7's in inventory were being lost each month." You can read the complete article here: http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/Ricca_M7_Grenade_Launchers.html Maybe with estimated losses of 15-20% of M7 GL's per month, may indicate not nearly as many were used as we may think (?) I Thank The Club and MR. Ricca, Charlie-Painter777
  8. I've seen auction carbines with the launcher sights installed. But haven't come across any pics in the ETO or PTO. I have extra M1 carbine stocks showing they had been fitted for the mounts, most all of these are heavily damaged. Links here, but no idea if these carbines were fitted during WWII or Korea. https://www.icollector.com/Winchester-M1-Carbine-with-Side-Mounted-M15-Marked-Grenade-Launcher-Sight-Sling-and-Bayonet_i10496881 https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1426063 https://auctions.thegunrunner.com/lots/view/1-PKWLB/us-m1-carbine-30-cal-military-underwood-mfg-grenade-launcher-1943-wwii Charlie-Painter777
  9. First Bless his service. Sorry for the loss of a friend. The pistol reminds me of a video I seen about the gun markets in Pakistan. Amazing what skilled people can pull off with scrap steel and a file. VR, Charlie-Painter777
  10. Garet, I came across your older post here...... While looking for Carbine posts. Hope you don't mind me knocking some dust off your post ........ Was wondering if the number 1 after the M on the front receiver ring looks to be a machine stamped or Hand stamped 1 ? In this serial# range we find Machine stamped and Hand stamped 1's. Later in this block, the 2's (M2) are found. A Hand stamped 1 is of interest to collectors and can add some $ value to it. Often a Hand stamped 1 doesn't line up to the M like machine stamped one. Do you still own it and capable of looking at it? These next 2 features below make this stock often sought after: Does your stock have the longer 4.14" front barrel channel ? And if the Recoil plate seat area has the extra support cut in the stock on the bottom for the bottom/back edge of the plate ? Congrats on scoring a nice 6.6 mil Inland... ! Cheers, Charlie-Painter777
  11. Costa, See the link below. It is a Real or Fake test comparison put together by Rick Borecky. You'll find your version there. https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=16300 HTH, Charlie-Painter777
  12. In the late 20's Edward Fisher built a mansion with 269 rooms that his wife didn't like. Sold it off and is now Fords proving grounds: See reply #6: https://www.detroityes.com/mb/showthread.php?20585-Ford-Motor-Michigan-Proving-Grounds-Edward-Fisher-Estate-Mansion-Romeo Inland and Fisher Body were both part of GM. Edward Fisher had a hand in both GM and Fisher Body before retiring in 1944. Fisher Body and Inland were intertwined in parts for tanks, trucks, planes and other goods like steering wheels.. etc. Fisher Body and Inland Div during WWII: http://usautoindustryworldwartwo.com/Fisher%20Body/fisherbodydatabase.htm http://usautoindustryworldwartwo.com/General%20Motors/inland.htm Edward and his brothers built the Fisher Building in Detroit. Interesting to see who Edward Fishers neighbors were back in the day. Wonder if Ty Cobb or Joe Louis were shown XC-47 ? https://historicbostonedison.org/Significant-Residents-of-BE Later, Charlie-Painter777
  13. GF, Do you know any previous to your buying it background on your XC 47? Are you or do you know if it has any connection to the Kettering, Ohio.... Near Dayton area? Does your stock show any sign of having had a Brass tag attached to the bottom of the pistol grip? I'll explain more later....... My notes and files are at home, so not available to me right now. When you get a chance take good detailed pictures. They'll be asked for. Feel free to PM me if better suited Regards, Charlie-Painter777
  14. Inland XC 48 and XC 49 have been located and as of 2006 were owned by the same person. They were at the Carbine show in Bhama. More info available........ Regards, Charlie-Painter777
  15. @ccyooper, No.. Been out of state flipping a house my Daughter bought. Sure missing Michigan, just gotta hang in there until the end of the month. Cheers, Charlie-Painter777
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