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  1. On 10/27/2017 at 7:25 AM, seanmc1114 said:

    124th Army Reserve Command worn in 1978. Either this guy earned his CIB with the 2nd Infantry Division on Korea during the 60s or he is older than he looks if it was earned during the Korean War.

     

    By the way, he was posing for a picture for a story about his patch collection that appeared in the April 1978 issue of Soldiers magazine.

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    2nd Inf Div soldiers could earn the right to wear the division patch as a combat unit shoulder sleeve insignia from 1968 to 1973 if they served north of the Imjin River (e.g., adjacent to or within the DMZ).  In 1973, hostile fire pay was discontinued for Korea.  Soldiers qualified for HFP if they were assigned north of the Imjin River during a given month.  After six months of HFP,  they earned an overseas bar for wear on their Class A uniform, and the right to wear the 2nd ID patch on their right sleeve when they departed Korea.

  2. On 9/25/2017 at 7:57 AM, seanmc1114 said:

    Soldiers wearing the 2nd Infantry Division SSI on their karate uniforms while meeting Muhammad Ali

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    In the 1970s, Tae Kwan Do was a mandatory part of physical training throughout the 2nd Infantry Division (along with the standard push-ups, sit-ups, and run).  At least in the direct support Field Artillery battalion I was in, we had one or more Black Belt KATUSA soldiers in each battery.  Soldiers could take additional Tae Kwan Do lessons on their own time after duty hours.  Many units had Tae Kwan Do teams, and there was competition across the division.  Guessing these two are winners of one of those tournaments.  Muhammed Ali made a 3-day trip to Korea in late June 1976, including a visit to Camp Casey in Tondgucheon.  The 2nd Division commanding general, MG Brady, gathered 2,500 soldiers in Camp Casey's Schoonover Bowl to hear Ali talk.  Ali then did a 5-minute round with SP4 Gerald Noble (age 28) who had been the heavyweight champion at Michigan State in 1967.  He also spared with PFC Larry Rice, a welterweight.  In this photo (from Stars & Stripes), Ali is presenting a trophy to winners of the Division's Martial Arts competition.

     

    During the Vietnam War, Korea had been the forgotten theater (even though troops who ventured north of the Imjin River still got hostile fire pay).  MG Hank "The Gunfighter" Emerson worked to improve morale.  We ended up wearing the 2ID patch on all sorts of non-military articles of clothing (as well as full-color patches depicting DUIs).  Emerson earned his nickname by wearing a "Buntline special" revolver rather than the standard General Officer 9mm semi-auto pistol.  This is a photo of him as XVIII Airborne Commander after he left Korea.

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  3. On 3/3/2017 at 8:58 AM, seanmc1114 said:

    I understand they would now, but were women assigned to combat units, even in support roles, in the 70s?

    In 1978, I had a female sergeant assigned to the Service Battery I commanded in Germany (1st Infantry Division Forward).  She was from the Division Support Command element -- and attached to my supply section.  She went with my unit to the field just like everyone else in the battery.

  4. On 8/18/2014 at 11:29 PM, patches said:

    Right, on the NON wear of full color AA patches in the 70s up till the BDUs came out is something I never understood given the esprit de corps of the 82nd, even the lowly but dependable 5th Infantry Division continued wearing their famous Red Diamond patch in full color on fatique items when it was reactivated at Polk in September 1975, and continued to do so up till late 1981 when BDUs came out.

     

    The 82nd Airborne Division tended to march to its own drumbeat.  In the mid-1970s, the 82nd Abn Div was wearing maroon berets, though they were not authorized by AR 670-1.  I (along with three other officers) was sent TDY to the Field Artillery Survey Officer's Course at Ft Sill, OK (target acquisition and surveying in artillery batteries were taught there) in spring 1974.  All of us young lieutenants from the 82nd Abn DIVARTY were told when we arrived that we were not permitted to wear the maroon berets while at Ft Sill.  We initially told them to pound sand - we were TDY and not assigned to Ft Sill.  When the Ft Sill IG called the 82nd Abn DIVARTY commander (who was then-Colonel "Mad Max" Thurman) to complain, COL Thurman told the IG to pound sand -- his paratroopers definitely WERE going to wear the beret.  In 1979, when General Bernard Rogers (CSA) rescinded the authority for the 82nd Abn Div to wear maroon berets, there were funeral ceremonies on the parade ground to bury those berets before donning the dreaded baseball caps.  That only lasted until November 1980, when the maroon berets were authorized once again.

  5. On 8/17/2014 at 2:38 PM, seanmc1114 said:

    Soldier of the 2nd Battalion 4th Infantry wearing the 56th Field Artillery Command SSI along with the PERSHING tab as well as Infantry blue shoulder chord and collar disc backing as well as the cloth 4th Infantry Regiment DUI.

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    The 56th Artillery Group (later 56th Artillery Brigade; later 56th Artillery Command) was the Pershing missile unit in Germany from 1964 until the missiles were withdrawn from service after the INF Treaty was signed.  The 56th consisted of three Pershing missile battalions (1-41 FA in Schwabisch-Gmund, 3-84 FA in Neckarsulm and Heilbronn, and 1-84 FA in Neu Ulm), plus an infantry battalion for local defense (2-4 Inf with companies in Heilbronn, Kornwestheim, and Neu Ulm), a chemical decon detachment, and a maintenance battalion.

     

    To the best of my knowledge, the 2-4 Inf was one of only two infantry battalions attached to an artillery brigade in the entire US Army.  In the 1970s/80s, the 4-31 Inf was assigned to the Field Artillery School at Ft Sill, OK to support the combined arms training program for Field Artillery officers (there was also an armor battalion, and Marine officers attending the Field Artillery course commented that the Army had more tanks at Ft Sill than the entire USMC had at that time).  The 4-31 Inf was assigned to the Field Artillery School from 1971-78, then to the III Corps Artillery HQ at Ft Sill from 1978-82, then to the FA School's training support organization, the 214th FA Bde, from 1982-95.

  6. On 8/13/2020 at 1:59 PM, BILL THE PATCH said:

    Any info on the lieutenant?, He's wearing a jump jacket. Was he Airborne?

    Sent from my moto g(7) play using Tapatalk
     

    Notice on the 6 April 1948 color photo of the return to the Capitol of the national flag which had flown there on 7 Dec 1941, and then been raised over Rome, Berlin, and Tokyo, that the Army colonel on the far right (with back to the camera) is wearing riding breeches and riding boots with spurs.  The other officers in the same row on the steps of the Capitol all have on Military District of Washington SSI, and I presume he does as well - though I cannot blow up the picture with enough clarity to be sure.  Below is a photo from the other side of the Capitol, showing the officer on the right.  His SSI seems to be the Allied Force HQ patch (white AF on a blue background in a red circle).

     

    In 1938, breeches were eliminated except for soldiers performing mounted duties (horse cavalry and horse artillery).  Once the cavalry and horse artillery were motorized / mechanized in 1942, breeches / riding boots were no longer authorized.  (Exceptions for general officers, like Patton, and for the US Constabulary in occupied Germany).  None of the officers are wearing Sam Browne belts, which had also been phased out at the start of the war.

     

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  7. On 7/4/2013 at 10:44 AM, seanmc1114 said:

    Military District Of Washington

     

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    On 7 Dec 1941, a Congressman from Texas introduced a motion that the flag flying over the Capitol was to be preserved - and flown over Tokyo once the U.S. had defeated them.  When Germany and Italy declared war on the United States, the motion was amended to include Rome and Berlin.  This flag was subsequently raised over Rome (on 4 July 1944), Berlin (on 25 July 1945), and Tokyo (in September 1945) - as each was occupied by the U.S. Army.  President Truman raised the flag over what later became Clay Kaserne in Berlin when he was in the city for the Potsdam Conference.


    In this photo (6 Apr 1948), "men of the Third Infantry Division [should read 3rd Inf Regiment], all World War II veterans, present the flag at the Capitol Plaza, Washington, D.C. It is being accepted by Senator Arthur Vandenberg."  The flag was 'lost' for several years, but later recovered and is now in the Smithsonian. 

     

    Second photo (25 Jul 1945) shows Truman, Stimson, Eisenhower, Bradley, Patton, etc. at the flag raising ceremony in Berlin.

     

    Third photo (4 Jul 1944) shows the flag being raised in Rome.

     

    Fourth photo (early Sept 1945) shows the 1st Cavalry Division raising the flag over the reopened US Embassy in Tokyo.  It was not the 'first US flag' raised in Tokyo after the war - that was done several days earlier (3 Sept) by LT Bud Stapleton, who was chewed out by MacArthur for upstaging his planned event.  See last image for that 'first' flag raising in Tokyo.

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  8. On 5/27/2010 at 8:58 AM, Teamski said:

    I would like to start a thread that will feature photographs of troops wearing SSI. I believe this would be a great reference for verifying patch wear and with some photos, possibly be able to show specific versions of the patches themselves. I invite other collectors to post photographs of troops wearing SSI. These can be portraits, photos in the field, etc..... Let's see them!

     

    -Ski

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    Captain Roger Donlon was the first Medal of Honor winner in Vietnam.  (He also was the reviewing officer for the annual parade of the 1st Junior ROTC Brigade in El Paso, TX in 1968.  Back then, JROTC was mandatory for all high school students in Texas - for at least two years.  The 1st JROTC Brigade had 11 battalions of cadets -- one for each high school in El Paso.  There was another JROTC Brigade in Ysleta, TX -- just to the south of El Paso -- which had another 10 battalions of cadets. Different times.)

  9. Noticed that MG Miles is wearing his old colonel's overcoat in both photos (with 5 rows of braid on the sleeve) and a non-regulation sword belt / slings.  He also has a distinctive collar trim on the second photo.  You cannot see the cuff braid in that photo.

     

    In the painting below of LTG Miles, he has clearly designed his own cuff and collar braid, and his own shoulder knots.

     

    In the second photo, LTG Miles is wearing a unique white M1902 visor cap (with just two stars above the eagle, even though he was a 3-star at that point) with his full-dress blue uniform.

     

    In the third photo, LTG Miles is wearing a unique blue M1902 visor cap (with three stars above the eagle).

     

    He clearly didn't have any objection to designing his own unique uniform items.

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  10. There is an interesting helmet for sale on e-Bay.  It is an early M1881 body style but with the M1872 eagle plate & plume socket, as well as the chain-link rosette side buttons for the chin chain (all with heavy white-gold gilt).  Heavy gold braided cords on the helmet.  It has 2 stars affixed to the front of the eagle plate, and the name Nelson A. Miles embossed in gold on the inside of the helmet.  It has a white feather plume in the M1872 plume holder, rather than the authorized yak tail plume. Regular cloth lining found in officer's helmets of the period.

     

    This could be dismissed out of hand, as the 1881 uniform regulations said that the new model helmet was for wear by all personnel except general officers and general staff officers -- but for a couple of tantalizing details. 

     

    The first is that then-Colonel Nelson A. Miles headed up the 1878-79 Army Equipment Board that recommended what became the M1881 helmet, and he remained engaged in the process of approving that helmet over the next several years.

     

    The second is that the first samples of the "new" helmet (made both by Henry V. Allien and and Horstman) used the M1872 helmet plate and plume holder for the officer's model -- and the QM Depot cut down / repurposed existing M1872 version helmets to correspond to the new regulation.

     

    The third is that at least one of the initial photographs of the "new" helmet showed the chain-link rosette buttons and the M1872 plume / spike holder on top.

     

    Is it possible that Colonel Miles kept an early model and had it modified when he became a general officer (BG in Dec 1880 and MG in Apr 1890)?

     

    As mentioned above, Brevet MG Judson Kilpatrick (USMA '61) had one of the summer white helmets made up with two stars and rooster feathers for wear with his diplomatic uniform when he served as Minister (Ambassador) to Chile from May-December 1881.  Generals were (and still are) given leeway in their own uniforms. 

     

    I've seen photos of MG Miles wearing the regulation chapeau with his full-dress uniform and MG Miles wearing the M1895 full-dress visor cap with the full-dress uniform.  Wonder if he kept/modified an early model of the helmet.  If this helmet is authentic, then it is unique in every sense of that word. 

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  11. Here is a photo of the cold weather cap worn with the Army Service Uniform (same midnight blue color as the dress blue coat).  The green version was worn with the old green Class A uniform & overcoat when not in formation (e.g., optional purchase).  Wore this when attending ceremonies with the German Army in northern Germany in the dead of winter.  Not stylish, but certainly beats frost-bitten ears!

     

    This is an issue item for the 3rd Infantry Regiment (The Old Guard) because they perform ceremonies outdoors in the middle of winter in their dress uniforms.  Similar to issuing the Dress Blue Overcoat to The Old Guard.

     

    https://www.shopmyexchange.com/army-service-dress-cold-weather-hat-asu-/6356378

  12. Wider, deeper, flatter cap brim (1910-1912 timeframe).  This is closer to the brim on the cap you have.

     

    Narrower, shallower, more vertical cap brim (1902 timeframe).  This is closer to the brim on the cap 2LT Gordon is wearing.

     

    Both are more than 50 years later - but the Army didn't "waste" leather on big cap brims in the early years.

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  13. The brim on the hat you have appears to be both 'wider' and 'longer' than the one on the hat Gordon is wearing.  It's more like the M1912 version of the dress cap.

     

    Agree that the fabric colors are very vibrant for a hat that is more than 170 years old.  That said, I have an officer's M1902 dress cap that looks like it just came off the shelf - complete with gold bullion eagle embroidered on the front of the cap that has absolutely no tarnish.  The oldest 'original' military hat I've got is an 1872 staff officer's chapeau.  The cloth & gold tassels are in excellent condition; only the ostrich feathers are a bit worse for the wear after 148 years.

  14. George H. Gordon, USMA '46 (classmate of Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson) was commissioned a brevet 2LT in the Mounted Rifles upon graduation.

     

    I've attached a 'flipped' copy of the photo of him wearing the wheel cap -- with the saber & sash on the officer's left and the jacket buttoning properly.  You can compare the hat you have to the one in the Mexican War era photo.

     

    From the Cullum Register of USMA graduates (highlighted his Mexican War service; he went on to become a MG of Volunteers during the Civil War):

     

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    1314

    (Born Mas.)

    George Henry Gordon: Born July 19, 1823.

    Military History. — Cadet at the Military Academy, July 1, 1842, to July 1, 1846, when he was graduated and promoted in the Army to

    Bvt. Second Lieut., Mounted Rifles, July 1, 1846.

    Served: in garrison at Jefferson Barracks, Mo., 1846; in the War with Mexico, 1846‑47, being engaged in the Siege of Vera Cruz, Mar. 9‑29, 1847, — Battle of Cerro Gordo, Apr. 17‑18, 1847, where he was

    (Bvt. First Lieut., Apr. 18, 1847,
    for Gallant and Meritorious Conduct in the Battle of Cerro Gordo, Mex.)

     wounded, — Battle of Contreras, Aug. 19‑20, 1847, — Battle of Chapultepec, Sep. 13, 1847, — Assault and Capture of the City of Mexico, Sep. 13‑14, 1847, — and in a hand-to‑hand encounter with two guerrillas, near San Juan Bridge, Dec. 21, 1847, where he was severely wounded; on Recruiting service, 1848; on sick leave of absence, 1848‑49; at the

    (Second Lieut., Mounted Rifles, Jan. 8, 1848)

    Cavalry School for Practice, Carlisle, Pa., 1849‑50; on frontier duty at Ft. Vancouver, Wash., 1850‑51; in garrison at Newport Barracks, Ky., 1851; at the Cavalry School for Practice, Carlisle, Pa., 1852; on frontier duty at Ft. Scott, Kan., 1852‑53, — Ft. Leavenworth, Kan., 1853, — and

    (First Lieut., Mounted Rifles, Aug. 30, 1853)

    March to Laramie, Dak., 1853; and on Coast Survey, Mar. 9 to July 26, 1854.

    Resigned, Oct. 31, 1854.

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  15. On 1/5/2020 at 11:35 AM, world war I nerd said:

    Close up of the only collar brass visible in the above photo.

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    The insignia on the cap and collar appear to be that of the 4th Regiment of Field Artillery (Mountain), organized 13 June 1904 at Vancouver Barracks, Washington, under the command of COL Alexander B. Dyer, Jr.  It consisted of a Headquarters and six firing batteries.  A Battery (formed from the former 26th Battery); B Battery (formed from the former 28th Battery); C Battery (formed from the former 23rd Battery); D Battery (formed from the former 27th Battery); E Battery (organized June 1907); and F Battery (organized June 1907).  The 4th Field Artillery served during the Mexican Punitive Expedition in 1916, but did not deploy to France during WWI.

  16. On 9/6/2019 at 8:04 PM, world war I nerd said:

    Close up of the officer's Coast Artillery collar brass, 1904 Officers 1902 0r 1905 Service Hat and 1904 Service Coat without the officer's cuff band, which was not adopted until 1907.

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    This appears to be the Field Artillery insignia adopted in 1904 (a caisson wheel on a disc, superimposed on the crossed cannon), rather than the Coast Artillery insignia (an artillery shell on a disc, superimposed on the crossed cannon).  It would be very unusual for a Coast Artillery officer below the rank of Major to be mounted, whereas every Field Artillery officer would ride a horse.

  17. Thanks - that makes sense.

    WRT ribbons, I figured the Occupation ribbon (First Army HQ was initially slated to go from Europe to the Pacific to participate in Operation Downfall in 1946, but after 11 straight months in combat, many individuals transferred to Third Army or Ninth Army, rather than opt to fight another foe), the WWII Victory Medal ribbon, the American Theater ribbon, and the European Theater ribbon (with four stars - Normandy, Northern France, Rhineland, Ardennes-Alsace, and Central Europe). He might have earned a Bronze Star in Europe, especially if he was in one of the FA Groups under First Army Artillery. Likewise, he could have served in Korea -- but it seems unlikely he would wear a First Army patch on the right sleeve if he had been in combat in Korea.

     

     

    This officer could be Regular Army or AUS -- it wasn't until 1957 that Eisenhower RIFed all the AUS officers on active duty, realizing that in 1958 they would reach 18 years of Federal service (since Roosevelt's call up of the National Guard in 1940) and be locked in for retirement.

     

    If he had been a captain in WWII, chances are he was at least a major by 1953. If he had been a major in WWII, chances are he was a lieutenant colonel by 1953.

     

    If a company-grade officer, he probably was awarded an Army Commendation Medal at some time between when it was approved (Dec 1945) and 1953. The Meritorious Service Medal was not approved until 1968. If a field-grade officer, he may have been awarded a Legion of Merit (that was the only award above the ARCOM until 1968).

     

    Thanks again.

  18. In my original post, I indicated it was a M1942 jacket, which is not technically correct.

     

     

    The male officer's winter service uniform in 1941 consisted of a 4 button, 4 pocket coat of finer wool fabric in olive drab shade No. 51 ("dark-shade" i.e. a very dark forest green with brownish hue), nicknamed "greens". The coat was worn with a russet brown leather Sam Brown belt until 1942 when the leather belt was replaced by a cloth belt of matching fabric to the coat. Officers could wear trousers matching the color and fabric of the coat, or optionally they were allowed taupe colored, trousers, officially called "drab shade 54", of the same material as the coat, nicknamed "pinks", leading to the nickname "pinks and greens" for the iconic combination.

     

    Since 1939, the coats for officers and enlisted men had included a pair of pleats by each shoulder that gave extended freedom of movement to the wearer. It was suggested by the Office of the Quartermaster General (OQMG) that the bi-swing back could be eliminated to improve the appearance of the garment and to decrease the cost of manufacture and to save on wool. In June 1942 the "Revised Service Coat" was adopted. It no longer had the bi-swing back and the lower pockets became a simplified interior type with an exterior flap.

     

    This coat has the bi-swing pleats at the shoulders, the cloth belt, and the lower interior pockets with an exterior flap. The uniform set came with a matching pair of dark trousers (not the 'pinks'). So it seems to date from 1942.

  19. I acquired a M1942 officer's uniform (with the vented pleats at the back) worn by a field artillery officer who served with First Army in WWII. He obviously continued to wear the same uniform long after the war, because his overseas bars are on the right sleeve (which did not happen until 1953). The uniform has a First Army insignia on the right sleeve, and a Fourth Army insignia on the left sleeve. The right sleeve also has four overseas bars and a Meritorious Service Unit Insignia (wreath) - probably the one awarded to Fourth Army, since it did not serve in combat during WWII.

     

    First Army Artillery was led by BG Charles E. Hart, who wrote an article in Military Review in September 1945. The First Army Artillery consisted of the First Army Artillery Section (Hart plus 3 colonels, 2 lieutenant colonels, 5 majors, 4 captains, 2 lieutenants, 17 warrant officers, 40 enlisted men), the 32nd Field Artillery Brigade with two subordinate Field Artillery Groups (3rd FA Group and 11th FA Group), each with two FA battalions of 240mm howitzers (551st FA Bn, 552nd FA Bn, 742nd FA Bn & ??), and two additional separate FA battalions of 8" guns (153rd FA Bn and 268th FA Bn). These provided reinforcing fires to the Field Artillery Groups that were habitually associated with the corps of the First Army. The Corps-level Field Artillery Groups were equipped with 155mm howitzer battalions, 155mm gun battalions, 8" howitzer battalions, 4.5" gun battalions, and provided general support to the division artilleries.

     

    Presumably, officers who had served in Field Artillery Groups at the corps level would wear the corps' patch on their right sleeve, rather than the First Army patch.

     

    Unfortunately, the uniform only has the officer's initials -- not his full name -- so I cannot determine in which unit he served. In any case, I've found it very difficult to find the names of officers who served in the First Army Artillery Section (at HQ), the 32nd FA Brigade, the 3rd or 11th FA Groups, or the individual heavy artillery battalions.

     

    I'm trying to build the uniform to what it would have looked like in 1953. The surface-to-air missile was not adopted for wear by Field Artillery officers until 1958, so in 1953 this officer would still be wearing just the crossed cannon insignia on the lapels of his jacket.

     

    Officers who had served at the division artillery level frequently wore the regimental number above their crossed cannon.

     

    Does anyone know if that practice was also followed by officers who had served at the Army artillery level (e.g., crossed cannon with the numbers 32 above, for 32nd FA Bde -- or was that reserved for officers who had served in the 32nd FA Bn in North Africa & Europe)? Or a number 3 or 11 above, with the letters GP beneath, for the 3rd FA Group or 11th FA Group?

     

    Or would they have just worn the plain crossed cannon collar insignia?

     

    Thanks.

     

     

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