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  1. Very nice piece, especially due to the associated history. What I wonder is if the pilots who graduated would also be entitled to the WWI Victory Medal with the "ITALY" bar.
  2. Very nice! I have a number of boxed medals, and some have the little slip of paper listing the bars on the enclosed medal (if any). However I have never seen the small folded piece that is stamped "Camp Dix". You have something unique there.
  3. It is possible for NOK to obtain replacement medals, but the process may not be easy, depending on a couple of factors. First and foremost is who is considered NOK. The army can be very rigid when it come to the definition of NOK and relationship to the service member. Second, and probably most importantly, is verification that the service member is entitled to the medal in the first place. Normally the first place one may go would be the Records Center in St. Louis to obtain a copy of a service record. However, primarily in the case of an army, a lot of records no longer exist. There was a huge fire at the records center, back around 1973 if I remeber correctly, and a lot of records were destroyed. I know this first hand as attempted to obtain copies of my grandfathers and fathers WW1 and WW2 service records. The response I was sent that, due to the fire, they were no longer available. This is something to keep in mind when/if you contact them. You may have to find another method of proving service. The Veterans Administration or Social Security Administration may be of some help but I wouldn't hold my breath. Another thing is who is NOK. I also have some experience there. I had an uncle who served in the Marines Corp in WW2. He was KIA on Guam. In due course he was awarded the Navy Cross and Purple Heart, which were presented to my Grandmother sometime in 1946/47. Sometime after the award they were stolen. Years later my mother wrote to the Navy Department to see about obtaining replacements. At the time my grandmother was still living. The Navy Department wrote back basically saying that only my grandmother could request replacements as NOK. My mother, his sister, did not qualify. To make a long story short my grandmother had no real interest in obtaining replacements. Now that she is deceased, and upon looking into the matter again, the ND now says that only my mother can request them. I, as a nephew, can not. Things may have change since I looked into the subject but who knows.
  4. There are one or two other things to keep in mind when dealing with bars. Sometime in the 1920's, I believe, there were a number of bars that were produced in France. These are generally, but not always, stamped "FRANCE" or "MADE IN FRANCE" on the back of the clasp or ribbon slide. I have read and been told by other collectors that these were primarily for the veterans market. Anyway just about all of the ones I have seen or managed to obtain were Navy bars done up in army fashion, but without the spacer at either end. Among these are "Submarine Chaser" and "Submarine-Chasers". Secondly, some of the clasps, both army and navy, are being reproduced today. I have one in my collection that has two prongs on the back that appear to be attached with epoxy. There are also some army service bars that appear to be made of a metal the color of gun metal. These appear to be slightly smaller than the period pieces. I will close with the observation that collecting the US Victory medal is never dull. Just when you think you know everything some previously unknow bit of info can surface.
  5. I have also run across this issue, but not often, and there are to my mind three possible alternatives. 1. The medals have been reribboned and reassembled with the clasp inside the drape. 2. They were assembled wrong by the manufacturer. This, to me, would not be likely as everthing I have run across indicates that the manufacturers were very careful when assembling the medal. Regardless it is a possibility. 3. The clasp, for whatever reason, was added to the medal at a later date. Whether this may have been done to deceive or that a veteran obtained a clasp and added it would be the question. I have one medal with a TRANSPORT clasp that I am sure was treated in this manner. The back strap of the clasp has been cut and then mounted on the drape with the backstrap inside the ribbon. My opinion is that #1 is the most likely scenerio.
  6. Very nice and interesting item. The top two clasps are what really gives the piece class.
  7. When it comes to the original ribbon there is one method I have seen utilized but requires some thought on the part of the collector. The method is to cut a piece of single sided contact tape wide enough to cover the ribbon separation and just slightly narrower than the actual ribbon, The tape could then be applied to the reverse of the ribbon. Personnaly I don't recommend this as once the adhesive on the tape touches the ribbon it is there for life. If the ribbon is not pieced together properly then there is no hope of future repair and replacement would seem to be the only option.
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