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    US Army Force Korea Occupation Period (1945-1949)unauthorized, novelty type patches. US Army Pre-WWII SSI. US Army Aviation SSI 1961-1966 (Vietnam incountry made). Writing articles about on little known US Army insignia or about their construction for ASMIC's non-profit quarterly publication called the Trading Post.

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  1. Sorry Mort the RAIDER tab in question was never in my possession nor had I ever made reference of this being a 8245 AU related tab. Matter of fact and before this thread I never seen a tab like this one before. Perhaps your thinking of Dennis Kim who specializes in elite units that participated the Korean War. In regards to this possibly being a "PAGAN RAIDERS" tab of the 179th Infantry I do believe it is highly unlikely. Their colors were red, black and white. The 1st Battalion was just a tab of the mentioned colors above and only the wording RAIDERS was on it according Clyde Antrim and former member on the unit. The 2nd and 3rd Battalions had scrolls. I wrote an article about the Pagan Raiders years ago that illustrates a khaki shirt with the 3rd Battalion scroll above the 45th Division patch. The scroll read "3rd PAGAN RAIDERS Bn. I hadn't seen the 2nd Battalion yet however Clyde Antrim stated there was a design competition and that the design ultimately selected were all basically the same. Bill Scott really hits the bell on this entire topic and eventually that "smoking gun" will present itself as it had so many times before when either re-identifying a long time mislabeling of an insignia or actually finding an identification of an unknown. Give it time, something will surface, especially if someone is willing to get into weeds and do a pile of research.
  2. If I recall correctly this particular image came out of a 1943 HAD periodical. Evidently, there were two companies that were both equipped with 30 Cal. M.G. to defend the strategic fuel reserves all stored in Red Hill area. From this location a pipeline reached Pearl Harbor. If you look real close at the images you'll notice the obvious "V" and "O". But the letter within the "O" is the letter "F". Not quite the acronym match for Red Hill Volunteer! We've theorized that this was a unit specific designation for "Organized Filipino Volunteers" of the Red Hill sector. I'm aware of at least one other naval volunteer unit that has an insignia based off of an actual WWII era published photograph. Back in day segregation was the order of day and apparently it also affected the smallish organization of the Red Hill Volunteer. The Caucasian contingency was assigned to Company G.
  3. The patch shown on BG Van Horn Moseley is representative of Commander and Staff of the First Cavalry Division. The attached image (from the collection) shows one example that has snap backs on its reverse for easy removal during laundering. There are single starred First Cavalry Division Shoulder Insignia too! These were representative of the two different brigades of the division. The difference between the two (as far as insignia are concerned) was the color of the single starred bend and the horse head. Red bend, red horse head = First Cavalry Division, First Brigade, Commander and Staff. Blue bend, blue horse head = First Cavalry Division, Second Brigade, Commander and Staff. So, the two starred Shoulder Insignia was not exclusive to the rank of the commanding general at any given time between the years of 1922-1934, when these variations were authorized for wear by the troops.
  4. Looks right to me. Here's one that had not been worn/used on a uniform.
  5. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/180278-sleeper-on-ebay/?view=findpost&p=1384940&hl=kiaiokalewa Your answer regarding the patch in question has been covered in the past. See link above.
  6. Revisiting this old post to add an updated image (I know out of focus image) of the ever growing First Army Shoulder Insignia collection.
  7. Jiving away is what I enjoy doing the most. Those two articles took over a decade of research to get the facts straight! The articles are loaded with period pixs and doxs. Actually the original "Battle of the Rosebuds" did cascaded into several other articles that have a remote connection that also corrected other long time identification errors including one that is upcoming in the summer issue of the Trading Post. So yes, the "Rosebuds" did spawn quite a few other Interwar Jives articles for me to write about. Tredhed is correct. After market theater made examples were a result of copying the National Geographic color patch plates and primarily from the German market. However, one must not forget the stunning Hashimoto haul that hit the market several years ago. Here too the Geographic was used to illustrate to potential clients his abilities in making Shoulder Insignia. Here's perhaps the only other true theater made example floating out there (made shortly after WWII) that is Japanese in origin. Aloha, John
  8. Aloha, For those that are ASMIC members, you guys are in for a treat. I wrote a four page article in my "Interwar Jives" column about this Shoulder Insignia that is scheduled for publication in upcoming Trading Post Jun-Aug 2019 issue. ANOTHER "A" PATCH REVEALED is the title I gave it and it's well illustrated. A Hui Hou, John
  9. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/290230-interwar-tunics/?hl=kiaiokalewa&do=findComment&comment=2334414 Finding pics of troops wearing Shoulder Insignia during the Interwar era is a tough endeavor. Try finding troops wearing either Army or Corps patches. Above is some things I covered in the past from my collection.
  10. Cross section of original First Cavalry Division sub-unit Shoulder Insignia.
  11. I hadn't added to the thread in a while. Here are my 1st Cavalry Division uniforms. Left to right 1) Sergeant's Trenchcoat for the First Brigade, First Cavalry Regiment (two regiments shared this patch: 1st Cavalry Regiment after January 1, 1933, 12th Cavalry Regiment) 2) Sergeant's tunic for First Brigade, First Machine Gun Squadron (disbanded February 1, 1928) 3) Lt's tunic for Second Brigade, Second Regiment (this patch was exclusively worn only by the 8th Cavalry Regiment)
  12. Here's what the AU 8245 tabs look like.
  13. When I wrote my article on the Pagan Raiders each battional of the 179th Infantry Regiment had teams that patrol, probe, and raid. At the time I had a shirt that had the 3rd PAGAN RAIDER bn tab above the 45th Division patch. I was fortunate enough to interview a former member that was from the 1st Bn. Their Pagan Raider's tab was just RAIDER. Never learnt what the 2nd Bn scroll/tab was like however if you state that this was something you picked during the 50's it is possible what you have is a Pagan Raider's tab.
  14. I've never been able to positively identify the circular yellow lighting bolt on the Hawaiian Department coat but Patchjohnson did state that the Massachusetts Women Defense Corps did have a Communication specialists rating just like it. Only difference is the style of the bolt. So maybe your is the Defense Corps rating. Btw is your 30th Division patch directly embordered on the khaki field? Aloha
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