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David Minton

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  1. From what I have read Citizens' Military Training Camps (CMTC) were held summer during the years 1921 to 1940. The Women Accepted for Volunteer Emergency Service (WAVES) were not established until 1942, so the name may only be a coincidence, or it is a different CMTC.
  2. Thank you for posting. I'm not exactly sure what your question is, since your post seems to identify them correctly. They are the same specialty mark as for an Electrician's Mate, but they are for an Electrician Warrant Officer. See: Historical Approach to Warrant Officer Classifications published by Naval History and Heritage Command "In 1925, the grades of Electrician, Chief Electrician, Radio Electrician, and Chief Radio Electrician were established." They look like Warrant Officer collar insignia. Chief Warrant Officer would be the same, except in silver. During WWII there were only two two games of Warrant Officers, unlike the five levels today. While I am not an expert with these, I don't see why they couldn't date back to WWII, based on construction. I have a few in my collection, and they do vary in size. I have not researched to see if they changed size according to regulations, or if they are manufacturer variations. The USN and USG shared most of the same insignia, warrant officer pins like these among them. I did not know USMS used them as well, but that is not surprising.
  3. This is so interesting, thank you for sharing. I have a similar two war CSC for a sailor that enlisted in 1908, retired after twenty or so years, and was recalled in 1942. He was only in his fifties, however, so not such a celebrated case as yours. I collect CSC so I have to ask, since this is a 1921 series CSC, is this a replacement? If so, did they recreate all of his records, or transfer some of the original pages? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  4. Steve, Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but do you know when the Navy stopped using Apprentice Petty Officer badges? I know from John Stacey's book they they were introduced in 1918, but he failed to mention when use ceased. You mention "soon after the change to the suit." If I recall the roll out date from 7/01/1973. I assume recruits wore the suit uniform at RTC, and if so were Apprentice Petty Officer rates ever worn on them during a transition period? Ideally I'm looking for a regulation document, but if you can at least give me a year, I can review sources such as All Hands.
  5. That is a good price for the lot. I have some WAVES reference books, if you type the name for me (can’t read in the photo). Most of my books are officer listings, but have a couple with enlisted. We could get lucky. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  6. Hmm, someone mess up a USCG Port Security badge? Otherwise, unauthorized Shore Patrol? This is a new one for me.
  7. There was a short-lived experiment around 1948 or so to move from one piece ratings to two pieces: one piece with the eagle and specialty mark, and the other with chevrons. You will come across separate patches with between and one three chevrons that would go with the patches you posted. This program would have served two benefits: 1. on promotion, a sailor would only need to replace the chevrons, which would be less work, and presumably less cost. 2. manufacturers and sellers would be able to cut over 60% of the necessary products, since now they wouldn't have to manufacture and inventory three versions for each rating, but only one, plus three with the various number of chevrons (for each uniform) to go with all ratings. Off the top of my head there were maybe 75 different ratings at that time, so not insignificant cut in inventory. Despite the apparent advantages, the program was quickly cut. My guess is the two piece badge did not look as presentable once actually sewn on the uniforms. PS: both of you patches are upside-down. The eagles should be facing left.
  8. Of note due to the original Gemsco label on the reverse. WWII era or late 1940s or early 1950s? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  9. Sorry if I missed this, but what does a suffix letter denote? For example, is N140s-18XXXB (XXX denotes numbers) a part of this series from 1943, or an entirely new series of post-WWII contract numbers? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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  14. Super excited about my latest acquisition: a WAVES “cruise book” or sometimes called a “memories book.” What made this one of special interest was it was made for WAVES Overseas Detachment Company D, comprised of around 300 WAVES bound for Hawaii, the only location “overseas” WAVES deployed to. Company D was lead by Lieutenant Laura Rapaport, author of Once a WAVE: My Life in the Navy, 1942-1946. A good read for anyone interested in the history of the WAVES, as Rapaport was one of the first forty WAVES officers recruited in 1942, and was the last WAVE to leave Hawaii, in 1946. She retired as a Lieutenant Commander in 1946. I assume only a few hundred of these books were printed 75 years ago. What is the chance I would find a book that included the first WAVES memoir I read? Anyone else have any of these books? This is the first WAVES cruise book I have come across. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  15. In a working uniform (gray or khaki) if the shirt and pants look different, then I think almost definitely gray. The khaki shirts and pants never seem to have that much contrast.
  16. Nice photos. Not my area, but have noticed some USMCWR photo groups on eBay recently. I come across them when looking for WAVES groups.
  17. That would be interesting, but have never come across one. The only plastic USN officer cap badge I own is plated to look like metal. Only on close inspection is it obviously plastic.
  18. Sorry, just saw your question. If I recall, there are three types of plastic 35line USN buttons you can come across: Black: worn on men's service gray uniform (1943-49) Navy Blue: WAVES enlisted (1942-?) Light Gray: WAVES working gray uniform (1947-?) If curious I can provide photos; I own samples of all three, including the correct uniforms. There are also similar black plastic buttons worn with service gray uniform by USCG and USMS. I assume there are also USCGS, but have never seen them. With a slightly different look are 35 line black plastic buttons for USPHS. All of these were only used from 1943-49, and went out of regulation with the end of the wear out period for service gray (assuming they followed the USN schedule, but the other services may have been different, I have not investigated). But, to the best of my knowledge the light gray button originally posted is for a post WWII women's working gray uniform dress. I have a few dozen of these buttons, along with one of the dresses in my collection. I also have a WWII WAVES dress, which closes with a zipper on the side, rather than button on the front. I am not sure when, but at some point NNC nurses were allowed to wear WAVES working gray dresses instead of NNC regulation white dresses in areas where white was impractical. If I recall NNC was incorporated into the main Navy around 1948, at which time NNC distinctive uniforms were abolished in favor of the WAVES style worn by other female officers. Note: I apologize if I got some of the dates or names of the uniforms wrong. Doing this from memory.
  19. Question: is the eagle blackened, or just heavily tarnished?
  20. Thank you for posting. I have documented in a letter that my grandfather, a Russian speaking Ukrainian immigrant who served in the US Navy during WWI, was a translator for a US Army colonel in an expedition in Russia after WWI. I never knew the details; could this have possibly been where it was? I’ll need to dig out the letter. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  21. As noted above, these rates were only worn at boot camp. He would have worn this badge while at boot camp, before he was promoted to Petty Officer. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  22. Thought i would update. I showed this to some experienced collectors and the thought is it is probably a manufacturer sample that none had ever seen before. It could actually be unique?
  23. Looks fine to me. This rate would probably be in the $1 bin at a show, so don't see anyone making reproductions. Some rates are being reproduced, but only for more rare examples.
  24. For the sake of accuracy, the change was in 1941. "The uniform regulations of 31 May 1941 specified that the eagle was to face to the left in the rates comprising the Seaman Branch: Boatswain Mate, Turret Captain, Signalman, Gunner's Mate, Fire Controlman, Quartermaster, Mineman and Torpedoman's Mate. All other rating badges were to have an eagle facing to the right." https://www.history.navy.mil
  25. I am sure some of the groups restoring B-17s would love those.
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