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    US Wings 1917-1945
    Air Corps DI’s to 1945
    US Cavalry DI’s to 1945
    US Cavalry collar brass, uniform, equipment 1902-1945

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  1. Nice 3rd Pattern LGB (Balfour) Pilot wing badge. As John said correctly said, this is a post WWII, pre alpha numeric wing. It has been seen in both pin back and clutch back. Hope that helps. John
  2. Thanks very much for taking the time to create this post Cliff. John
  3. Here is a recent addition, Pensacola winged Aviator in 1943, includes his instrument card. John
  4. Great post Mel, inexperienced collector’s could be confused by this previously unseen variation of a Meyer re-strike or copy. Good images Mike, this wing pattern was first produced by Meyer in the 1920’s and is referred to as a first pattern Meyer, seen till mid WWII. It was produced in Sterling, Nickel and Brass. John
  5. I have an identical one in my collection, great heavy wing. No way to nail down an exact date, but I would say between the wars and agree with above post that states most likely 1930’s. Hope that helps. John
  6. CBI made wings run the full range of quality, from beautifully made to mediocre. I have a number of CBI wings that are taken from known US patterns, others unique. Construction of the wing, the pin base which is known of Chinese types, as well the crude fashioning of the point of the pin are all typical. John
  7. Gunner wing is classic CBI, most likely Chinese. John
  8. Agreed, typical period repair. John
  9. Very nice wings and very legitimate period engraving. Aviator engraved wings are definitely more scarce then Pilot. Fantastic to have his books as well. Reading the remarks he made brings back memories of that first flight...level flight, level turns, etc. The realization of the joy of flight and how much we all had to learn! Thanks for posting this wonderful group with the human side shown so well. John
  10. I have this same wing, identical in every way, even the short pin. I have watched this wing on eBay and I must say, that I can’t believe it is still there for that price. Personally, I think it’s a good and very fair price for a gorgeous wing badge. The catch is a not often seen variation of the lever lock. Regarding the the lines in the shield, I have never believed that to be a 100% WWII wing trait, no more than X’s in the Bullion Naval Aviator wing shield mean WWII either. Yes, lines in the shield are more generally seen in WWII, but it’s not iron clad. I think sometimes collectors get a little too focused on looking for silver bullets rather then looking at the big picture and miss out on some nice prospects in the process. My two cents. Stay safe all, John
  11. Not much is known for sure about these wings. They are the pre WWII pattern, very common and are cheaply made. Some say they are inexpensive depression era Aviator, others sweetheart. Also, it is believed they were made by the White Co, but that’s not 100% either. Hope that helps a bit. Whatever you do, DON’T overpay for them, they are common. John
  12. Nice wing Steve, that wing is by Blackinton. John
  13. That is not a quick answer, as there are a number of things that distinguish WWI era wings from later. There is no silver bullet, like the handy dandy 1919 Adams Design for the Army to say...this is the date the design changed dramatically. Naval Aviator wing badges were more subtle in evolution till 1942. Even then, the pre 1942 design was still worn, unlike when the Army adopted the Adams Design. Having said that, there are many gorgeous designs and learning the difference takes time with a lot of dedication. Also, there is a fair amount of incorrect information that has been perpetuated by dealers that are not wing experts, as there are few dealers that are. Much of this has been already discussed in numerous threads in the forum and there are some books on the subject. ASMIC’s Best of the Best article in 2013 documents the Aviator wing evolution and most makers. ? Here are a few incorrect myths- 1. WWI Aviator wings all have closed flukes...Wrong. I have some WWII wings with closed flukes and some WWI wings with open. 2. A Tiffany catch makes my wing WWI...Wrong, it was used will into the 1920’s. 3. A 2” Aviator wing is shirt size...Wrong, it is mess dress size. Naval Aviators generally wore their full size 2 3/4” wing on shirt or coat...1 1/2” wing is cap size...2” wing is mess dress ...2 3/4 is for shirt or coat. 4. Enlisted Aviators wore silver wings...Wrong, all Naval Aviators wore the same wings of gold, as did USMC and Coast Guard. That’s the first few that come to mind, I’ll post some images of my WWI Aviators wings this week. John
  14. Yep, legitimate CBI made Aircrew wing badge. John
  15. There are a few threads about Pasquale Airship wings in the forum. Sorry, but it is a known fake.
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