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unclegrumpy

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  1. KurtA...I was not trying to start an argument, and do agree terminology can be confusing. I think one of the issues with Studley's medals, is he sold medals that were made differently over the years....fatter ones, coppery ones, chocolatity ones, probably some restrikes, and on it goes...same pretty much goes for his brooches as well. I don't know that anyone has tried syncing the various medal styles to the dates of his catalogs. Often, these are tossed into a $5 or $10 box and forgotten about, because most people don't collect or study copies. I think part of the confusion about Studley's, is the junk boxes they reside in have medals made by other people, but they all get lumped together. It is actually easier to look at this from the other direction. Meaning trying to breakdown the various contacts the government purchased and issued over the years. After the first few contracts, most of them are going to be unnumbered and most are going to made with the same characteristics their contemporaries have. For example, a contract from the 1950's is going to look much like other government contract medals that were made at the same time.
  2. KurtA...I don't agree that any unnumbered campaign medal is automatically termed a Studley. Below are two links, one that talks about Studley himself, and the second that shows some of his medals. Of note in the second link is a picture showing the thickness of one of his medals. Not all Studley medals are that thick, but many are. Generally speaking, the first issues of the early campaign medals were No #ed...and for the most part are traceable. The next runs were Mno #ed...and most often are not traceable. After that, there are many contracts of unnumbered medals that were issued. There were also medals that could be privately purchased...going back 100 years ago. Studley falls into that category, selling medals both to veterans and to collectors. Other manufactures did the same thing. Then there are medals made in the last 30 or 40 years that were purely made for collectors...some sold cheaply to help collectors fill the holes in their collections and others for high prices to deceive. The medal in this thread as Frank Smith mentioned, is pretty clearly in the later category. I am not an expert in all of the various later government issued unnumbered contracts, but I agree that Wharf's medal looks more like a medal from the 1950's or 1960's, but it could be a nice quality reproduction as well. I suspect someone has already broken these contracts down...there are a number of collectors that collect medals by contract. Anyway, below are few links on George Studley and his medals: http://themedalcollector.com/uploads/studley_george_w_Bio_2.pdf https://usmilawards.com/2019/01/10/george-w-studley-medal-ribbon-manufacturer/
  3. I also agree about the numbering. It is sometimes hard to judge medals from pictures, but to my eye the planchet looks thick and the strike not sharp...making me think this might be a Studley or something similar. It makes my stomach turn, because like Robert, we would all much prefer to be sharing in the joy of finding something new.
  4. There are at least two WW I guys with this name: Service number 1449974 Medical Department...though I found this guy was not wounded...so it is not him Service number 1453670 138th Infantry...though this is the unit he went over with, and maybe not stayed with
  5. I think the engraving looks weird for two reasons. First, engraving often looks different in photos, especially when enlarged. Second, this fellow's last name presented a challenge to the engraver. He could have engraved it all in the same font size, but chose not to make the VON the same size, but the smaller correct VON instead. This was done on a machine that had the font changed or maybe, and more likely, a second machine with a smaller font. What I think is interesting, is in the write up you found has the VON in a large size. I know several people who have last names with the VON, and the proper form is as engraved on the medal.
  6. Italian Order of the Crown and War Merit Cross
  7. This is an unissued Navy jumper from the early 1900's. Note the lack of stripes on the cuffs. Back then, those stripes were designators of rank and added as the sailor advanced. The Chief's rate is also regulation. The problem as several other posters have pointed out, is the two pieces do not go together. I think KurtA and topdcnut are spot on...that this was probably put together from surplus parts in the 1920's. The good thing is most of these jumpers put together for civilian wear have civilian parts, but yours does not. All you have to do is take the rate off and you will have two good pieces.
  8. That is a great grouping...nothing wrong with any of it...you did very well!
  9. Below is an example of the form I was referring to. This man was wounded. I don't know that every KIA had one of these forms, but if they were treated they would. The point would be this would be tool to get the list of 41 down to a manageable number. One way or another you are going to have to eliminate the other 40 possibilities.
  10. Getting the IDPF for the guy you think it is, is a good idea. Another pathway would be to have a researcher that frequents the Archives in St Louis check the 41 serial numbers in research room. There is a file on microfishe that lists wounds by service number. There will be a page for each wound that each service number had that will have some very basic information, but enough that you will be able to shrink the 41 names down, maybe not to one guy, but I bet to a few. The forms also have notations for the type of wound, but those are not always refined enough...helpful, but not always exacting. I also wonder if there is a way to search the KIA database on Ancestry by service number...again using your list of 41 possibilities. Lastly, there is decent chance the helmet got the bullet hole when is was not on the owner's head.
  11. There appears to be two guys this could be, though I agree Richard C is the most likely. Name: Richard E Schwartz Race: White Home State: Wisconsin Casualty Date: 19 Aug 1950 Casualty Country: South Korea Casualty Type: Returned to Duty (FECOM) Group: Returned to Duty (FECOM) Branch: Infantry Component: USA - RA (Reg Army) Rank: Private 1st Class Pay Grade: Private First Class Previous Detail: Seriously wounded in action by missile Disposed Date: 31 Aug 1950 Organization: In Div - 25th Element Sequence: Cv Div Cav Regt Inf Unit #: 0027 Service Occupation: Food Service Apprentice Name: Richard C Schwartz Race: White Home State: California Casualty Date: 9 Oct 1951 Casualty Country: North Korea Sector Casualty Type: Returned to Duty (FECOM) Group: Returned to Duty (FECOM) Branch: Infantry Component: USA - RA (Reg Army) Rank: Private E-2 Pay Grade: Private E-2 Previous Detail: Seriously wounded in action by missile Disposed Date: 19 Nov 1951 Disposed Place: Japan Organization: In Rgt Unit #: 0005 Service Occupation: Light Weapons Infantryman
  12. Any of the three US medals could be named. A name would help explain the reason for the foreign awards, but the most likely explanation is the owner had a high level position that benefited these various countries. He was likely a general as well.
  13. There has been no old stock of these medals hitting the market...nor has there been in the past. They used to be $25 to $35 medals, but people seem to be asking a lot more for them these days, and I think we are seeing the same overpriced examples again and again. The medal you pictured is an original, but someone polished it. For some reason, many of the jewelry dealers that put these on eBay think they should clean them first. I don't know how bright these medals were when originally issued, but I have always thought they came slightly "tarnished" to highlight the details.
  14. Hendrick F Rodriguez enlisted in July of 1942...guessing he would have gotten overseas a year later...beyond the numbers just beyond the WWI & earlier only range that were issued at the beginning of the war with a reasonable percentage of the numbers recorded...all the other numbers...except in rare circumstances...were not in order, and were not recorded. That said, most of the WW II numbered medals were issued during war, but not exclusively so. The end point here is he could have been issued the numbered medal...or not. If you wrote St Louis for his file...or better...likely less expensive...had a researcher pull it, you should be able to determine if he had been previously wounded. The problem is there was likely a named medal in the mailing box that got swapped out. I think you have to consider that he might have had a family member that was also wounded, and over time, things got intermingled.
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