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#1 FrankEaton01

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Posted 09 April 2009 - 06:44 PM

I know very little about early Marine Corps EGA insignia, but have found the reference section here to be very informative. Last week, I received a mail-auction catalog that had these insignia listed, described as 1877 pattern officer's dress EGA collar devices. Any opinions from the experts? I didn't find a similar pair in the reference section, so I thought a discussion would be interesting. Although, it's probably difficult to reach any definitive conclusion without seeing the backs.

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 08:07 AM

I will first start by saying, I have seen (an identical) one of these in person and spent a good amount of time examing it under quality loop and various lighting. It belongs to a forum member here and will only say, from the gut, I am 95% confortable with the one I examined. And have only shared my reservation with him and a few others. If he chooses to comment or post more pictures - that shall be his choice.

As to the emblem - I am not absoulty certain that it is as stated - an example of the 1877 pattern. It does not share the same design elements, (as shown in other known period photo's), but from my estimation made for the undress coat as prescribed by uniform regulations of 1892. Thats my 2 cent take.

As for the auction estimates... :unsure: But one thing for sure, there will many of us EGA collectors who will be participating in the auction B)
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 08:23 AM

As for the auction estimates... :unsure: But one thing for sure, there will many of us EGA collectors who will be participating in the auction B)
s/f Darrell


Considering that the Marine Corps only had about 75 officers in 1877 (see http://www.usmilitar...?showtopic=9349 ) these could indeed be rare birds (or, as one notable collector amongst us prefers "scarce"). If there is a consensus that they are the real thing, then the high end of the estimate is easily reachable. I would expect that some will choose not to comment on these before the auction.

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 08:25 AM

.... then the high end of the estimate is easily reachable. I would expect that some will choose not to comment on these before the auction.


You can take that to the bank...! B)

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 02:36 PM

Thanks! I really appreciate everyones' opinions. I'm basically a medal collector, but always enjoy expanding my knowledge about other types of insignia. It should be interesting to see how high the hammer price for these goes.

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 03:30 PM

I'll comment...as it's obvious by my avatar that I am the one with such an emblem. We have been looking into them for about a year now, and I would like to find a match

I must say, this is the second or third matched pair I've seen for sale in the past year...but they may be from the same seller, as I know at least one pair did not sell, but to be fair it had a 5000 price tag

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 05:59 PM

photos of the pair in question

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 06:00 PM

more....

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 06:01 PM

back side.... sorry these are the best photos avaliable...

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 06:06 PM

mine for comparrison

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 06:06 PM

size comparrison

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 02:04 AM

I have a few 1876-1904 EGAs.... that came out of the Philadelphia in the 1970's.


Is that so... Let's seem them.

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 05:25 AM

Recieved an email this morning regarding the emblems in the auction and my 5% reservation. The reservations I have are best pictured here for comparison with others posted here on the forum...

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 05:31 AM

If these are the real deal, they are most likely for the "Patrol Coat"

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 05:38 AM

This may look exactly like the one in the previous post - but - look closely at the anchor fluke. They are not the same...

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 05:55 AM

and a noticeable difference in the eagles... http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/think.gif

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 06:54 AM

Darrel, notice the pin types are the same...

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 07:29 AM

Darrel, notice the pin types are the same...


Indeed, I have observed many insignia identical in nature - and in many instances the pin mounting hinge is still in use today. Found the pic's from Williams Ebay sale which sadly caused such fractious with a few folks last year...

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 07:32 AM

The crudeness is rather alarming though.

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 08:16 AM

as another member put it...maybe a piece for the officer on the budget...another member said possible sand casting. If these are repops, they're an older repop, and why haven't we seen more?

mine was found in an estate attic in Maine

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 08:29 AM

and why haven't we seen more?


Exactly my feeling too. Yours and the two sets here are the only ones I've ever seen http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/think.gif

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 08:34 AM

so there were about 75 officers circa 1877...but how many more up through 1900 when these may have been worn?

we need some period photos or a group to shed some light...

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 08:39 AM

so there were about 75 officers circa 1877...but how many more up through 1900 when these may have been worn?

we need some period photos or a group to shed some light...


Here's the chart I put together using several sources:

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and during the entire 19th century there appears to have been under Marine officers total. In the last decade of the 1800's there were less than 300 officers at any one time.

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 08:46 AM

we need some period photos or a group to shed some light...


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Posted 11 April 2009 - 08:51 AM

http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/think.gif Darn convincing

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