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USMC Footwear WW2 to early Vietnam

Started by craig_pickrall , Mar 13 2007 07:19 AM

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#21 collector

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Posted 15 February 2009 - 11:17 PM

Here's another pair for the reference section if you want.

ENDICOTT JOHNSON
18 NOVEMBER 1953
NOM 62504

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Posted 25 October 2010 - 09:29 AM

"USMC INSPECTOR" inside marked. This is the only label I can read on these well used shoes.

Size 10 1/2 D

Date unknown. I do not know if the sole design could give any information about the manufacturer or contract.

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Posted 25 October 2010 - 02:51 PM

Craig,
I can see why you moved my post here!
Fits perfect with your initial posting... Very nice items!!

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Posted 25 October 2010 - 07:14 PM

I didn't move your thread I just posted a link to this thread. Your thread is still where you posted it.

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 07:45 AM

Hi,

trying to confirm the contract date on one pair I had in my collection, I did much research on internet to find shots of the famous USMC boondockers in order to identify the contracts dates, and the way to identify a contractor if the markings are not readable :think:

Here's the result of my research, mostly pictures of my own collection :

it won't be big news for everyone, but the first point is that all the boondockers are actually built the same as long as you don't see the sole :crying:

... but there's a very good way to identify the contractor ... just take a look at the soles: first one is International Shoe Co., second is Endicott Johnson Corp. and the third one is Jos.Hermann Shoe Company.

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 07:49 AM

I only found 3 exceptions to this "rule of soles" ... but what is very interesting is that I found only one contractor for every sole, Panco.

The first exception is a very big sized pair, Endicott's contract of June 17, 1943. The sole is smooth, but the heel is exactly the same as the standard Endicott's pattern. Here's the comparison :

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 07:57 AM

The two other exceptions I found were postwar contracts, 1947 and 1948.

The sole patterns are not so different, but not completely similar because they were used by two different contractors, International and Herman.

Just note that the stitching is also somewhat different.

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 08:01 AM

My last observation is that the earliest bonndockers had brass eyelets, whereas from 1942 to the end, they had steel eyelets.

This is a picture of a 1941 dated pair's eyelets ...

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 08:13 AM

All the pairs shown before in this thread had USMC inspector's stamps.

I found also some USN boondockers, manufactured by the same contractors as the USMC but also some made by other contractors, with different soles. One pair was made by International Shoe and had exactly the same sole pattern as the USMC ones, but I found a pair made by Brown Shoe Co. (an army shoes contractor, if I'm right), with this sole pattern :

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 08:36 AM

Other informations I gathered searching for contracts dates :

> only one Endicott's contract is mentioned in the excellent "Grunt Gear" by A.Tulkoff, but there's at least two more, dated June 1943 and Oct.1944.

> most International Shoe's pairs had NOm contract numbers inside while the others contractor's pairs didn't until 1945.

> to conclude, I just want to mention that even if they are sometimes mistaken for contract numbers, the 5 to 7 digits numbers written after the size inside the boondockers are probably lot numbers as they seem to be attributed without any link with the contract date.

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 08:40 AM

:bravo:

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 09:43 AM

Great work etienne, a valuable addition to the forum's archives :thumbsup:

Thanks for taking the time to share the results of your research with us.

Will

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 12:12 PM

I agree with the others.. Sometimes you take things for granted and don't give them a second thought, but this was a really interesting and informative posting! Inespecially like the identification by the boot soles.
Very interesting stuff indeed! :thumbsup:

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 10:03 PM

Thanks guys, that was just my humble contribution to this awesome forum where I learn so much.

I had the opportunity to actually see or study pictures of just a little less than 30 pairs of boondockers, almost all the contracts mentioned in "Grunt Gear" were represented ... but I guess it's possible to find other contracts and possibly other exceptions, who knows ! ... I'll keep watching.

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 07:52 PM

Great job! If it is okay with you I would like to merge this into this thread: http://www.usmilitar...?showtopic=3497

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 09:43 PM

Great job! If it is okay with you I would like to merge this into this thread: http://www.usmilitar...?showtopic=3497


No problem :thumbsup: This thread already as some good examples of sole's patterns ... I'll try to broaden my research to KW shoes, as they seem to have soles pretty similar to WW2 boondockers, but with beveled heels :think:

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 03:03 AM

Salut Etienne,
Thank you very much for your excellent and very usefull thread. :twothumbup:

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 06:16 PM

These are dated 1962

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 06:22 PM

Can't make out the date on these, buckle is dated '06

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