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#1 Jay V

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 04:00 PM

Hi Guys
Well i'm trying to find the proper ammo and holder that will fit in the ammo pouchs for my mannaquin display and was wondering what to use.Would i use a stripper clip or a Block clip.Also would 30-06 be the proper ammo to go into them.Thanks for helping a newbie out,Jay
PS. Could some post a photo of the proper stuff needed.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 04:39 PM

An enbloc clip and .30/06 Springfield ammo would be correct. (GI surplus of course)

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 04:48 PM

Thanks
Do you have a photo Enbloc clip,and picture of a period ammo round ?Thanks for your help.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 04:50 PM

Thanks
Do you have a photo Enbloc clip,and picture of a period ammo round ?Thanks for your help.

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#5 Jay V

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 04:52 PM

Thanks
Two more questions please,
1) could they use a stripper clip
2) Are the tips of the ammo armour piercing?

I appreciate all the help,Jay

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 04:53 PM

Leatherwringer
Is that period ammo you have there?

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 05:53 PM

Hi Jay

The M1 rifle could not use the stripper clip. They use en blocs only. The stripper clips were for the M1903, M1903A3, etc bolt action rifle

Black tips are the way AP was marked. The ammunition was "M2 ball", the naming convention may be confusing

The ammo shown is correct for a certain period, sure :) But it does not appear to be WWII vintage to me. Probably it is from the '60s or '70s

Edited by Chris_B, 13 January 2011 - 06:01 PM.


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Posted 13 January 2011 - 07:46 PM

A couple of more pics for you.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 08:05 PM

Chunky Monkey pm inbound. Craig_pickrall on the stripper clips is the ammo 300-06 or 30 cal.


Jay,

Craig is trying to show you that the same ammo (30.06) which was used in US bolt rifles (M1903 and M1903A3) and semi-auto matic rifle (M1 Garand) during WWII used 2 different types of clips. The bolt guns used stripper clips that held five rounds and was used to feed the magazine. The enbloc clips for the M1 Garand were 8 round clips that went into the M1. After 8 rounds were fired the emply clip was ejected.

Each pocket in your pouch could hold one 8 round enbloc clip or 2 stripper clips.

Hope I didn't confuse you.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 08:10 PM

Thanks
Wasn't sure if they used both, but it makes sence.Thanks to all whom have helped a newbie!!! jay

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 08:14 PM

Thanks
Wasn't sure if they used both, but it makes sence.Thanks to all whom have helped a newbie!!! jay



Glad to have helped out a little bit. I'm usually on the learning end here. Lot of knowledgable folks on here. This is the best forum bar none!

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Posted 15 January 2011 - 02:47 AM

Jay V you have to check the date of your belt. It looks OD7 (dark olive green) with brass buckle then post WWII, korean era. If it's OD3 (khaki) is't easily a 1942-43.

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Posted 15 January 2011 - 04:23 AM

It's dated 1943

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Posted 15 January 2011 - 06:01 AM

Sorry Jay, in my previous post I got a lapsus. Brass buckle and khaki colour until half 1942 then they change to the alloy bucke until half 1943 maintaining khaki colour. Finally they adopted the OD7 colour maintaining the alloy buckle unti the end of WWII. After WWII buckle came again made out of brass. There is only one manufacturer, HARLAN, who maintained early WWII brass buckle on the OD7 web. HIf your belt is Harlan made you can consider it quite rare cause most of them were made under USMC contract. To know more check the reference section

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Posted 15 January 2011 - 06:48 AM

FWIW I have read that GIs liked to use AP rounds when they could get them in the ETO for the extra penetration. GI AP rounds are really, really effective and have a beautifully machined (tungsten steel is it?) penetrator. They out-punch every other AP round I have seen tested. Pretty sure the same material was used in the .50 cal. penetrators, too. My grandpa worked in a mine that apparently bought a bunch of unjacketed penetrators for .50 cal. rounds to use as ballast weight ont he back of dozers and the like. He grabbed a couple of them, and since at least the 1970s, they have been used by he and my dad as center-punches for drilling metal. Whack 'em with a hammer and it leaves a dimple for your drill bit so that it doesn't slip. They are still as sharp as they were brand new.

You need to get a Garand to go with that nice belt and ammuniton. Got mine the Summer before my 9th grade year.

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Posted 15 January 2011 - 06:03 PM

Hey Guys
Here's a photo of the maker and date stamp.sorta hard to read but it looks to be Midwest Desk & Canvas co 1943,but these ole eyes aint what the y used to be.Hope this helps.
Ps; Side note to all who have been following this thread Chunky Monkey has been a real help eighter by lending some usefull info or by helping me find the ammo and clips i need,Jay


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Posted 15 January 2011 - 06:16 PM

Looks like Midwest Beck and Canvas Co 1943.

I hope to find a few good enbloc clips at a local auction tomorrow. If someone doesn't decide to bid them up! :mad:

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Posted 15 January 2011 - 08:44 PM

Any left?

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Posted 15 January 2011 - 11:33 PM

Congratulation jay. Rare belt.

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 09:03 AM

Thanks ARTU 44
Also is there a list of rare ammo belts,or how would one know if the belt they have is common or rare? Jay

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 09:44 AM

Thanks ARTU 44
Also is there a list of rare ammo belts,or how would one know if the belt they have is common or rare? Jay

You cannot find 1943 dtd ctg belt with early style brass buckle, all of them have pot alloy buckle. Up today I've seen only Harlan in late WWII used those brass buckle for contracts with US Army and USMC. And I saw an huge number of belts.

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 08:19 PM

Sorry Jay, I am keeping those that I have.

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