Williamb Posted January 5, 2011 Share #1 Posted January 5, 2011 Imperial M7 This looks commercial not GI. Do you agree? Thanks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bayonetman Posted January 5, 2011 Share #2 Posted January 5, 2011 Yes, these are a commercial item sold by a number of surplus businesses in past years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKIPH Posted January 5, 2011 Share #3 Posted January 5, 2011 Williamb-The US military never issued saw-toothed M7's. As I recall Imperial started getting creative in the 70's with M7's, for the commercial market. They made the MS-7 ??, Survival knife which had the barrel ring cut off, saw teeth, and a pry-bar type pommel. These sold in PX's, and surplus stores. Maybe one of the guys has a photo. Hope this helps. SKIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamb Posted January 5, 2011 Author Share #4 Posted January 5, 2011 Thanks guys. I also understand that it was against one of the military conventions (Hague) to use saw tooth bayonets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner Posted January 5, 2011 Share #5 Posted January 5, 2011 i have no pictures so i know this may hold little weight but my grandfather who fought in korea and was army SF had a saw back bayonet. my mother, grandmother and five aunts can all attest to this because it was on their fire place mantle their entire youth. im imagining this was something done personally by GI's or maybe by units. idk what type of bayonet it was but while searching my mom always said the m1 garand bayonet looked very similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKIPH Posted January 5, 2011 Share #6 Posted January 5, 2011 The only sawtooth US bayonet I can recall ever seeing was the M9. Now, it could have been some old German or Swiss he may have picked up in Korea. There was a lot of old arms floating around China in those days. they in turn took them to N Korea. Do you have any pics? SKIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbertson Posted January 6, 2011 Share #7 Posted January 6, 2011 The M-7S was marked on the ricasso, I believe. I have one and will try to dig it out for a picture tomorrow. The S was for survival...sort of a commercial M-3 with screwdriver tipped guard, nail puller/prybar pommel, and saw spine. Survival goodies were in the nylon sheath. Sold in all sorts of catalogs that had a sporting goods section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsellati Posted January 6, 2011 Share #8 Posted January 6, 2011 i have no pictures so i know this may hold little weight but my grandfather who fought in korea and was army SF had a saw back bayonet. my mother, grandmother and five aunts can all attest to this because it was on their fire place mantle their entire youth. im imagining this was something done personally by GI's or maybe by units. idk what type of bayonet it was but while searching my mom always said the m1 garand bayonet looked very similar. I cannot remember now if it was an M6 or an M7 bayonet, but, one just sold on auction in the last week or two that had a saw tooth top edge. It was a 'field' modification and it was unclear if they were kill marks or intended to confer a saw-action capability to the bayonet. Either way, it was unique and pretty cool looking. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactroop Posted January 7, 2011 Share #9 Posted January 7, 2011 in "U.S. Military KNIVES BAYONETS and MACHETES price guide Fifth Edition" on page 54 they list: CONETTA M7 Sawback Wirecutter-Cole IV-103 $XXX-XXX. I don't have a copy so I haven't seen it. Did Conetta make knives and bayonets for private sales? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKIPH Posted January 7, 2011 Share #10 Posted January 7, 2011 sactroop-I recall seeing pictures in magazines of I believe, Eichorn commercial versions with the wire cutter set-up, I wouldn't be surprised at a Conetta version. But, have never seen or heard of a military issue variation. More than likely it was Conetta getting creative, like Imperial, and throwing something out there with talks of the new M9 bayonets in design. Don't really know, just speculating. Gary might know something. SKIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactroop Posted January 7, 2011 Share #11 Posted January 7, 2011 sactroop-I recall seeing pictures in magazines of I believe, Eichorn commercial versions with the wire cutter set-up, I wouldn't be surprised at a Conetta version. But, have never seen or heard of a military issue variation. More than likely it was Conetta getting creative, like Imperial, and throwing something out there with talks of the new M9 bayonets in design. Don't really know, just speculating. Gary might know something. SKIP Skip, I don't know either. I'm not trying to contradict the prevailing view about issued sawback bayonets on this thread. I just thought it was interesting when I saw this in the price guide. Also their connecting "Murphy Combat Knife" type value to this thing. Maybe Cole's IV has some more to say about this thing and someone on this forum with a copy can enlighten us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKIPH Posted January 7, 2011 Share #12 Posted January 7, 2011 sactroop- I only have Cole, "Book III, and "the Best of". Couldn't find a "saw-toothed" M7 either book. I was collecting then, and in the army. SKIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Trzaska Posted January 7, 2011 Share #13 Posted January 7, 2011 Let me jump in here and maybe shed some light on it. The bayonet in question from Cole IV and in the Price Guide V is a prototype. It was made on a Conetta M7 bayonet but had nothing to do with Conetta, just used their M7 for a blank. It was made by ??? so far unknown to me. Several experimental items made and tested at Aberdeen Proving Grounds were sold off at auction and that was one of them. Most likely it was made in some machine shop and not by any bayonet supplier but that again is just a guess. As for the price... Murphy is stated to have made 90 thousand, these bayonets just 40 made. So the price is based on demand, not the supply side of it. All the best Frank Trzaska Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKIPH Posted January 8, 2011 Share #14 Posted January 8, 2011 Frank-Thanks for the info. SKIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody74 Posted March 25, 2012 Share #15 Posted March 25, 2012 I have one of these Imperial U.S M7 marked sawback bayonets, thanks got the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still-A-Marine Posted March 25, 2012 Share #16 Posted March 25, 2012 in "U.S. Military KNIVES BAYONETS and MACHETES price guide Fifth Edition" on page 54 they list:CONETTA M7 Sawback Wirecutter-Cole IV-103 $XXX-XXX. I don't have a copy so I haven't seen it. Did Conetta make knives and bayonets for private sales? Here is the page from Cole IV. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactroop Posted March 25, 2012 Share #17 Posted March 25, 2012 Bill, Thanks so much for providing this page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gebirgsjager Posted March 26, 2017 Share #18 Posted March 26, 2017 The correct name (on the blade) is M-7S. The ricasso is marked IMPERIAL over Made in USA M-7S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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