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#101 Tonomachi

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Posted 28 July 2007 - 11:03 PM

July 28, 2007

Hello,

Another flea market find of fixed loop, khaki chin strap and front seem M1 helmet with tan out USMC cover. The liner has khaki webbing. Somone has drawn possibly rank chevrons on the sides and back with ANGELONIDES. Is this WW2 era or WW2 gear worn during the Korean War?

More photos to follow.

Thanks,

Dennis


More photos. The top of the M1 helmet is dented and the liner is painted a funny dark forest green color. Any ideas?

Dennis

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Posted 29 July 2007 - 07:03 AM

Hi, the camo cover is most likely post war maybe Korea or just after, I have one just like it, I believe mine is marked on one of the flaps like a Korean War era one (1953)
the book Steel Pots mentions these types of covers, not sure if there is documentation but very cool cover.... http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/w00t.gif ....let me know if you would like to sell it.......mike

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Posted 29 July 2007 - 08:07 AM

Camopara, thanks again for your help.

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Posted 29 July 2007 - 10:32 AM

Both look nice original 2nd pattern covers. Very nice. Interesting differences in dye lots between to the two halves of cover no. 2.

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Posted 29 July 2007 - 10:40 AM

The pot is an early M1 WW2 manufacture, 1942 to early 1943. The liner is of late WW2 manufacture, mid 1944 to to war's end. The outside appears to have a USMC repaint, most probably in the post war years. The cover is a 1st pattern WW2 manufactured type with a post Korea added camo cloth swatch with added EGA. I believe this was a short lived practice before they began to stamp the EGA directly onto the cover in the late 50's early 60's.

Mike, could you post pics of your marked cover with that same sewn patch? Is your's a 1st pattern, 2nd or 3rd?

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Posted 29 July 2007 - 02:00 PM

Looking at the cover, I personally have not seen one with a sewn-on patch like this. The EGA insignia appears to be a mid-1960's type, like the iron-on used on on utility jackets, out-lined as opposed to being a soldid black emblem. The Lance Corporal rank did not come into usage until 1959. If these were put on by a Marine, I'm guessing this old camo cover shows 1960s usuage.
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Posted 29 July 2007 - 02:52 PM

Hi, the camo cover is most likely post war maybe Korea or just after, I have one just like it, I believe mine is marked on one of the flaps like a Korean War era one (1953)
the book Steel Pots mentions these types of covers, not sure if there is documentation but very cool cover.... http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/w00t.gif ....let me know if you would like to sell it.......mike


July 29, 2007

Thanks to all for the information but I'll be keeping the helmet as it is the only USMC helmet in my collection.

Thanks again,

Dennis

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Posted 29 July 2007 - 06:01 PM

Heres my USMC cover with sewn on EGA, it is on both sides..clearly marked on the brown side flap with 1953, I have seen only one or two of these, one was on ebay a few months ago....mine has the foliage slits so that makes it the third pattern cover, Korean War vintage, I would love to know some solid info on these covers, they are briefly mentioned in Steel Pots....anyone have more info?.....mike

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Posted 29 July 2007 - 06:04 PM

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Posted 29 July 2007 - 06:06 PM

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Posted 29 July 2007 - 07:32 PM

I also have a few Vietnam era Mitchell leaf pattern camo helmet covers with the EGA sewn on but Im not sure if these were made up recently or really are from the Vietnam era...I will dig them out and post a few more pics tomorrow .....mike

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 03:59 AM

nice pair of original covers..nothing wrong with them..

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 06:59 PM

Here are a few more covers with EGA patch sewn on...one is 1974 dated one is 1975, the 74 has a green and brown patch, the 75 has only a green side patch and it looks like it is made from erdl camo not mitchell leaf like the 74 dated one, also the 75 has a ribbon in the eagles mouth, does that mean something or a certain year that there was a ribbon?
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Posted 30 July 2007 - 07:00 PM

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Posted 31 July 2007 - 10:44 AM

July 28, 2007

Hello,

Another flea market find of fixed loop, khaki chin strap and front seem M1 helmet with tan out USMC cover. The liner has khaki webbing. Somone has drawn possibly rank chevrons on the sides and back with ANGELONIDES. Is this WW2 era or WW2 gear worn during the Korean War?

More photos to follow.

Thanks,

Dennis


Dennis,
This helmet is likely early Vietnam period. These type sewn on patches appeared in the late 50's or early 60's on the camo covers, although not all covers had them.
I have a known Nam used helmet with a ww2 1st pattern cover that has no EGA at all. One would never guess it was used that late, but it was.
Many people do not realize that these earlier camo covers were commonly worn in the early stages of Vietnam.

CB

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Posted 31 July 2007 - 11:07 AM

I have changed the name of this thread because it has become a worthwhile source of info on camo helmet cover markings.

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 11:29 PM

Dennis,
This helmet is likely early Vietnam period. These type sewn on patches appeared in the late 50's or early 60's on the camo covers, although not all covers had them.
I have a known Nam used helmet with a ww2 1st pattern cover that has no EGA at all. One would never guess it was used that late, but it was.
Many people do not realize that these earlier camo covers were commonly worn in the early stages of Vietnam.

CB


CB,

Thanks for the information. I would never have thought Vietnam War era.

Dennis

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Posted 03 August 2007 - 04:42 AM

I have a known Nam used helmet with a ww2 1st pattern cover that has no EGA at all. One would never guess it was used that late, but it was.
Many people do not realize that these earlier camo covers were commonly worn in the early stages of Vietnam.

CB


1st patterns were definitely used for quite a long while- there are some photographed as late as 1974...I just need to dig up those photos. Here's one being used in 1968 - one of my favorite photos of all time. David Douglas Duncan. "Pfc. John L. Lewis decorates his helmet with good luck tokens. [Khe Sanh, February 1968.]" Life [Asia edition]. 18 Mar. 1968. cover.

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 08:36 AM

anyone know how to find out when this camo helmet cover was made by contract numbers? how do you read the date?

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 08:59 AM

anyone know how to find out when this camo helmet cover was made by contract numbers? how do you read the date?


Most of those have DSA contract prefixes which will give the fiscal year of the contract. Yours may have left off this information or maybe it was made prior to the changeover to Defense Supply Agency (DSA). I believe that occured in the 1962-1963 period.

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 09:00 AM

unfortunately this data does not give us much to go on only an era could be given to this helmet cover by the pattern and i will leave this to the helmet cover experts.
Greg beat me to it! I was thinking early 60's too

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 09:04 AM

anyone know how to find out when this camo helmet cover was made by contract numbers? how do you read the date?


The FSN (Federal Stock Number) on that Mitchell pattern camo cover was used beginning in 1959. There is no date code embedded in that, but the FSN was replaced by DSA numbers beginning in 1962, so I presume that camouflage covers from 62 on would have DSA numbers. I will have to check mine to see what it has.

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 09:10 AM

I also have a Mitchell cover that is made of a softer cotton twill, not the smoother poplin material

are cotton twill covers a sign of early manufacture?

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 09:30 AM

I also have a Mitchell cover that is made of a softer cotton twill, not the smoother poplin material

are cotton twill covers a sign of early manufacture?



I don't know about that, but the stamped info will give you date info.

I just checked my own Mitchell cover it has a a 1969 DSA contract number whereas the 1959-61 (approximate) models have a simple four digit contract numbers such as "CONTRACT NO. 8027" and the FSN 8415-261-6833" numbers. The DSA contract number sequence changed a bit over the years, but it always starts with "DSA" and often included the year in plain sight: mine has the contract number "DSA 100 69 0 1921" which is a 1969 contract. It also still has the FSN number "8415-261-6833" so apparently that was not replaced by the DSA number, instead it was the four digit contract number that was replaced.

One thing I don't know is what kind of overlap there was between the DSA contract numbers and the old style - did everything produced in 1962 have a DSA prefix or was there still some use of the old "CONTRACT NO." prefix?

By the way, my 1969 Mitchell cover appears to be poplin.

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 09:45 AM

The FSN (Federal Stock Number) on that Mitchell pattern camo cover was used beginning in 1959. There is no date code embedded in that, but the FSN was replaced by DSA numbers beginning in 1962, so I presume that camouflage covers from 62 on would have DSA numbers. I will have to check mine to see what it has.


The FSN has nothing to do with contract numbers. It just gave the item a govt ID number. The FSN was replaced by the NSN in the mid 1970's.

Contract numbers for the Army in the 1950's prior to 1959 will usually have a DA prefix, followed by QM (CTM) from 1959 until 1962.

Good chance that cover at the start of this thread is early '60's but since it's missing the contract number there's no way to know for sure


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