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Yesterday I was contacted by a former British soldier who was involved in destroying, under orders, a pile of sample US clothing items made in Britain under British contract during WW2. The managed to salvage an officer's overseas cap with the appropriate tags identifying it as what we in the US would call a "QM sealed sample".

 

He would now wish to part with it, needless to say at a profit. What should I offer him?

 

He did send pix, and the cap seems to be in new condition, though the piping seems to be dark.

 

Your thoughts, please!

 

G

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I'd offer him $50 for it. It MIGHT be worth $75 at retail - but I think any more than that would be pushing it.

 

Now if it were a visor hat, the value would be exponentially higher - it's just that (as you know) o'seas (garrison, etc.) hats aren't really that valuable overall.

 

Dave

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I'd offer him $50 for it. It MIGHT be worth $75 at retail - but I think any more than that would be pushing it.

 

Now if it were a visor hat, the value would be exponentially higher - it's just that (as you know) o'seas (garrison, etc.) hats aren't really that valuable overall.

 

Dave

 

I would sure like some more opinions on this!

 

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I would sure like some more opinions on this!

 

 

What Gil, you don't trust my estimations????? ;);) I'm trying out for Antiques Roadshow!!!

 

:lol::lol::lol:

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In my experiences, experimental/sample pieces are quite an enigma. Some examples go for exceptionally less than you'd expect, while others go for substantially more than you thought it would. Sample says everything. It was a sample and the rest of these pieces were destroyed. I would figure that this may be a one of a kind piece or at least an extremely rare item. Since this is the case, there is nothing similar to judge pricing against. Personally, if I wanted/needed it for my collection, then I'd offer him $100 or whatever I felt comfortable with for the cap. It's only money and I'm sure you could sell something to recoup it. That is just my two cents worth.

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What Gil, you don't trust my estimations????? ;);) I'm trying out for Antiques Roadshow!!!

 

:lol::lol::lol:

 

No Dave, just trying for some sort of consensus.

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No Dave, just trying for some sort of consensus.

 

LOL. While I"m no 'super expert', I'd lean more toward the 50 dollar range. Now, if it includes photos or orders of the destruction, etc etc, then I'd go higher...but not much.

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While it is a neat item, is it a pattern that was actually made? Or something that was never put into production.

 

I suppose it depends upon how much you like British made items. I like them a lot, but I would not go too high on this (although it may be the only example of a sealed pattern from there). I'd lean to the $50 offer at first, to feel him out <hope he is not listening> and maybe go up to a hundred if I really liked it or fit a niche in my collection.

 

He may see $$$ signs though, and if he is in England then the dollar is low against the pount so that will hurt you.

 

I suppose he can always put it on ebay, but I am sure there will be someone someplace with a billion dollars to run it up.

 

I would, however, like to see a photo of the tag just for kicks.

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OK, here's the pic showing the cap and label. That's mthe sealed tag to the lower left -- wax seal is red on the OD cloth.

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Gil:

 

That's very cool. The sale point on the hat is that red wax seal. I've seen stuff with tags, but never one with a wax seal (regardless of what's on it!) :rolleyes: Were I to list this on ePay, I'd expect about $75 for it. Unfortunately, these hats are very tough to move and don't really have a following like visor hats, so despite the coolness factor of the tag, the value is depreciated because of the lack of desire on the market for these hats.

 

Dave

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Do we have any more thoughts before I make this guy an offer?

 

Thanx.

 

G

 

For something like this, all we can do is pull numbers out of the air. I would simply tell him that there is zero basis for determining the worth of something like this and then offer him $40 and make it clear you are open to negotiation. How high you go simply depends on how badly you want it for your collection. If I were buying something like this for resale I'd pay no more than $20.

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I guess the final question would be are you buying it for re-sale or to put into your collection? I'd pay slightly more if I was adding it to the collection than if I were trying a resale, I agree with the Admin...20 bucks tops.....otherwise offer 40-50 and see what happens....

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Reduced: 95% of original size [ 536 x 660 ] - Click to view full image

 

Sorry the photograph has not been copied across for some reason.

 

Hi Gil, in reference to your British made pattern room garrison cap, here is a previous post I put on the forum a few months back, these two items mentioned below also came from the pattern rooms when they were closed down. Certainly with the unique labelling you know theres not another like it in the world, so does it make the garrison cap worth the same as a regular cap or maybe even double as theres not another one. Another thought is some people like factory fresh unissued items and others want items that were there, done that, so the value is different to both of these collectors and neither places great value on each others items

 

Hi Johan, and fellow members who have posted in this British made section. A few years back this present British Government closed down the British army pattern rooms. This is where the the first or premier example of every item ever used by the army in the last couple of hundred years was held. I was very fortunate to get two items from there #1 being the first example of the British made musette for U.S. forces dated 1943, #2 being the new standard non polish ( Stay-Bright ) wings for the SAS, pattern dated Feb 1964, and marked ' property of the War Office' . The cord holding the wings has a wax and a lead seal on the rear of the card, there is also a small bag to hold the wings.

 

Due to the fakers ( thats with an ' A' or you could use a ' U' if desired ) I am not showing the sheet for the musette bag, I don't want to start a cottage industry out there with re-production. Johan I will show you this musette and the sheet next time we meet.

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Group: Members

Posts: 366

Joined: 7-January 07

Member No.: 344

Reduced: 95% of original size [ 536 x 660 ] - Click to view full image

 

Sorry the photograph has not been copied across for some reason.

 

Hi Gil, in reference to your British made pattern room garrison cap, here is a previous post I put on the forum a few months back, these two items mentioned below also came from the pattern rooms when they were closed down. Certainly with the unique labelling you know theres not another like it in the world, so does it make the garrison cap worth the same as a regular cap or maybe even double as theres not another one. Another thought is some people like factory fresh unissued items and others want items that were there, done that, so the value is different to both of these collectors and neither places great value on each others items

 

Hi Johan, and fellow members who have posted in this British made section. A few years back this present British Government closed down the British army pattern rooms. This is where the the first or premier example of every item ever used by the army in the last couple of hundred years was held. I was very fortunate to get two items from there #1 being the first example of the British made musette for U.S. forces dated 1943, #2 being the new standard non polish ( Stay-Bright ) wings for the SAS, pattern dated Feb 1964, and marked ' property of the War Office' . The cord holding the wings has a wax and a lead seal on the rear of the card, there is also a small bag to hold the wings.

 

Due to the fakers ( thats with an ' A' or you could use a ' U' if desired ) I am not showing the sheet for the musette bag, I don't want to start a cottage industry out there with re-production. Johan I will show you this musette and the sheet next time we meet.

 

Thanx, guys. I can't disagree with any of your comments.

 

Truth is, I am not all that interested in it. If there is anyone else out there who is, I will be happy to share the sellers e-mail address so you can make a deal of your own.

 

G

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Did you ever think of asking the owner what he wanted for it? $50-$100 maybe an insult to him not that I think it's worth much more..... the wrong approach can kill a deal.

 

Do we have any more thoughts before I make this guy an offer?

 

Thanx.

 

G

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Did you ever think of asking the owner what he wanted for it? $50-$100 maybe an insult to him not that I think it's worth much more..... the wrong approach can kill a deal.

 

He paid nothing -- salvaged it from a pile of pattern pieced destined for disposal by fire.

 

G

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I got that part.... what does he want for it? Did you even ask?

 

He paid nothing -- salvaged it from a pile of pattern pieced destined for disposal by fire.

 

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I got that part.... what does he want for it? Did you even ask?

 

No, he was clearly seeking an offer, and I tend to decline dealing in those situations. If it's for sale, put a price on it, and then we can negotiate.

 

When I sell, I will put a price on it. Don't ask what I will take -- I will tell you it is already priced, but if you want to make a counter offer, then we can talk.

 

Yeah, I am old and grouchy!

 

G

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No, he was clearly seeking an offer, and I tend to decline dealing in those situations. If it's for sale, put a price on it, and then we can negotiate.

 

When I sell, I will put a price on it. Don't ask what I will take -- I will tell you it is already priced, but if you want to make a counter offer, then we can talk.

 

Yeah, I am old and grouchy!

 

G

 

Not Old and Grouchy, but wisdom has been kind and has explained that there is no sense in being "buyer and seller both"!

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I agree.... an old antique dealer told me once when conforted with a similar situation. "Offer them a dollar"..... that usually gets them talking.

 

No, he was clearly seeking an offer, and I tend to decline dealing in those situations. If it's for sale, put a price on it, and then we can negotiate.

 

When I sell, I will put a price on it. Don't ask what I will take -- I will tell you it is already priced, but if you want to make a counter offer, then we can talk.

 

Yeah, I am old and grouchy!

 

G

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