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Questions on Schlueter M1 helmets

Started by saint , Jul 17 2010 05:52 PM

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#1 saint

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Posted 17 July 2010 - 05:52 PM

Are Schlueter helmets worth more than normal M1's? What are the differences between a Schlueter and a McCord helmet?

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#2 son of desertrat

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Posted 17 July 2010 - 06:07 PM

YEs they are. Less of them were made. I think that there is a slite shape diffrence. But im not positive
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Edited by son of desertrat, 17 July 2010 - 06:08 PM.


#3 Grant G.

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Posted 17 July 2010 - 06:12 PM

Schleuter's aren't really that much more valuable than McCords (other things come into play when talking about a helmets worth: Paint, chinstraps, condition etc.)
I wouldn't drop more money on a helmet just because it's made by Schleuter (but that's just personal opinion). It is true though that only 2,000,000 Schleuter helmets were made (oppose to the 20,000,000 made by McCord). The difference in the shell itself is pretty minuscule: On the inside of the helmet (under the brim and near the heat stamp) there is a stamped "S", The Schleuter's also had a slightly different profile to the McCords. A search will probably find out more. :thumbsup:
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Posted 17 July 2010 - 06:14 PM

Profiles are a bit different and as Schlueter started production later than McCords there are less of them, especially fix bails. How much more, that's up to the buyer I guess?

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Posted 17 July 2010 - 10:14 PM

Thanks for the replies guys!

So the height (profile?) of the Schlueter is pretty much lower than the McCord on the top?

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Posted 17 July 2010 - 10:36 PM

It's not so much the height but the shape.... look at this link it might help seeing them next to one another. :thumbsup:

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Posted 17 July 2010 - 11:13 PM

Did McCord put heat stamps? And can we tell anything from the heat stamp number I.E. date of production etc?

thanks as always,

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Posted 18 July 2010 - 01:15 AM

The welds on the helmets are different. Schleuters are neat little dots while McCords are more oval shaped. This is particularly noticeable on the rim seam. The application of the cork can vary as well.

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Posted 18 July 2010 - 01:57 AM

Did McCord put heat stamps? And can we tell anything from the heat stamp number I.E. date of production etc?

thanks as always,

Dale




Hi Dale.

McCord used heat stamps,in the book Helmets of the ETO, there is a date stamp chart ,which is a rough guide to dating a shell from the numbers/letters in the shell........the lower the number the earlier the shell is..........
.....but I have many shells with very low numbers e.g 123 A , which would date this shell to 1942,but the shell in question is rear seam,with a number like this it should be a front seam, (they started manafacturing rear seams in november 1944).....Ah ,the mystery of the heat stamp :think:

Hope this helps Mate, get the book it is great for reference....our very own Tweedie ,was co-author on this book. :thumbsup:

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Posted 18 July 2010 - 03:14 AM

Plain fixed bail Schleuters tend to be more valuable than plain McCords in siimilar condition; mostly because of their scarcity. Flex bail Schleuters don't seem to command much of a pemium over flex bail McCords.

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Posted 18 July 2010 - 06:43 AM

here are some signs to look for on fixed loop Schlueter shells

the spot welds look more rounded on a Schlueter not as tear drop shaped as seen on McCords

the fixed loops are also more rounded and not as squared as the McCord loops

since some of them dont have the S stamp

fixed loop Schlueters are worth a little more especially if they still have the original sewn on straps & hardware

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Posted 18 July 2010 - 09:26 AM

Gaz, Bolo thanks as always. I picked up a helmet fixed bail front seam with some severe stress cracks anyway thanks for the info, looks as I have another book to buy. ETO. :)

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Posted 18 July 2010 - 07:39 PM

Hey on my fixed bail I found the heat stamp number its 167A. I also found this written in white " M 1 or I 8 0 9" or " 6 0 8 1 or I W" does that mean anthing to anyone.


Doe anyone have any idea on the heat stamp ,,,, manufacture date thanks,


Dale


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