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#276 cutiger83

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Posted 18 September 2015 - 12:29 PM

So, what is wrong with sharing a scenario which has no names? It is still relevant to the discussion and the poster is trying to protect another member.

 

Because saying someone "might" be a member, a "well known museum", "it has gotten ugly" and "don't ask" is entirely too vague. All something like this is meant to do is stir the pot. It provides nothing to the discussion because there is basically nothing to discuss.



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Posted 18 September 2015 - 12:37 PM

 

Because saying someone "might" be a member, a "well known museum", "it has gotten ugly" and "don't ask" is entirely too vague. All something like this is meant to do is stir the pot. It provides nothing to the discussion because there is basically nothing to discuss.


In your opinion.



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Posted 18 September 2015 - 12:45 PM

In your opinion.

 

Yes it is. :)   And since I can't ask, there is nothing else to discuss. :)



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Posted 18 September 2015 - 12:48 PM

 

...there is nothing else to discuss. :)


Agreed.  ^_^



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Posted 18 September 2015 - 01:19 PM

 

All you have described is basically a "he said/he said" scenario. If you can't give any detail, why bother posting anything?

 

The point was that sometimes, it's the family member getting jerked around. Nobody's pointed that out before now.



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Posted 18 September 2015 - 01:23 PM

 

The point was that sometimes, it's the family member getting jerked around. Nobody's pointed that out before now.

 

Well...I sure didn't get that message in reading your post. I understand now what you meant but your post was so vague that I did not understand.

 

Thank you for clarifying what you meant....Kat



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Posted 18 September 2015 - 01:30 PM

Immediately after my funeral, my named medal and militaria collection will be auctioned off.  As far as I an concerned, family members of medal recipients in my collection can bid like everyone else.

 

Don't forget, in order to attend the auction,  you must go the my funeral first. ;)  Floral Tributes will get you a front seat.

 

 

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Edited by Wharfmaster, 18 September 2015 - 01:36 PM.


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Posted 18 September 2015 - 01:38 PM

Interesting topic ... pretty easy answer for me ...

If someone comes calling that can show me they are a family member, understand something about their relative's service, seem truly interested in the history behind the item, and appreciate that someone took care of it for the time it was in my collection .... then I "return" it. Never for a profit, since I know what I paid.

Possiblity of getting fooled and burned ... always. Could it end up on Ebay later that week .... again, very possible. In the end, I didn't earn the award, and I didn't wear the item in service. I don't collect for investment purposes; I do it because I enjoy the history around the stuff.

And most importantly, I refuse to let a few dishonest people impact my moral compass.

Tim

That sounds like an excellent method to me, Tim. If presented with a similar situation, I believe I would act in the same manner. As to how families 'lose' militaria I can provide a case in point: my Dad was a Naval Officer in WWII. I was born just at the end of hostilities. When I was about 5 years old my Mother gave away my Dad's mess dress whites, his sword, and several other uniform items. No particular reason: it was just stuff that was cluttering up the house in her opinion. I know this because years later, after my Dad had died, my Mother told me this. One of my older sister's also confirms this account.

After my Dad's death I did receive his medals, a cap badge, a set of Lt. Commander shoulder boards, and a special issue passport ... that's it, the rest was 'given away.' I'm not sure how the medals, etc. 'survived.'

I don't believe any of this militaria/family history had any personal identifiers, with one exception: his dog tags. Yes, she even gave away his dog tags. So, it's all just "out there" somewhere.

What rights do I have to any of those given away items: absolutely none. And, if those dog tags turned up I would still have no claim on them. My Mother thoughtlessly gave them away. So, that is how military items important to one member of the family (me) end up out there.

Edited by Cobra 6 Actual, 18 September 2015 - 01:39 PM.


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Posted 18 September 2015 - 02:39 PM

 

All you have described is basically a "he said/he said" scenario. If you can't give any detail, why bother posting anything?

A LOT of the above scenarios are he said/she said...how often have we seen the claim something was stolen with no police report. He's not slandering any names, so I think it more than fits the bill of the conversation



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Posted 18 September 2015 - 03:36 PM

I've never been on the receiving end of this, since I haven't bought any named items yet, but I do certainly see how things can just get lost/sold/given away and no one will have any idea what happened until years later. I have a lot of family members who have been in the military and a lot of those same family memebrs who simply got tired of "too much junk" and gave things away and now it would be really nice for some of that stuff to still be around.

 

Also some cheating in how things were to be passed on was easier to do back before intant communication was so easy. Somewhere out there is a Civil War rifle(supposedly a very long gun, like 10 ft, but I can't seem to find anything similar to confirm the size) that was supposed to be passed on to my grandpa. The deal was that whoever named their son after the Civil War veteran first would recive the rifle. My grandpa was born in January, and named after the Union veteran but because it was the 30's it wasn't instant that the person in possession of the rifle was alerted. One of my great grandpa's 12 siblings had a son in April the same year, and since they were closer to where the rifle was it was given to them. 80 years after the incident, and 150 years after the war I'm sure there's a very tiny chance that I would ever find the gun, if it's even still out there, but if a large Civil War gun with some kind of evidence to link it to the family is found, you can bet we'll be throwing some serious money at it to get it into my grandpa's hands where it should rightfully be. Luckily I believe my grandpa still has his army stuff from the 1950s somewhere in one of the two houses. I know I saw an M1 full of golf balls in the garage years ago but that might have been something my dad bought to play army after he hit his friend in the head with a grenade. Unfortunately a lot of the old 8mm films form Ft. Leonard Wood and his early construction career (lots of interesting films about things you could never get away with doing anymore, like driving an old CCKW built into a water truck behind scrapers on a pile of dirt 15ft tall right next to an active highway with no k rail or anything to stop the rocks bouncing down onto the road) went to the dump just a few months ago. He had them in a trash bag to keep the light form damaging them and forgot they were in there when he picked up the bag to fill it with garbage and throw it away. 

 

Another example of losing items is with my other grandpa and his "hunting clothes." Once he got out of the Army him and my grandma had very little money so he wore the boots and pants while him and my uncles went to catch some dinner. He wore them until they fell apart and threw them away. The jacket was given to a kid who needed it worse than my grandpa did(same way that my grandma came home to find that the dishwasher was gone!). The pictures are still with my grandma and I think some are with my mom and some with my uncle. I think pretty much anything that had any use was used until it was destroyed, and then given to someone who would limp it along a little more. If by some miracle I did come across something that could be linked to him, it would be very nice, but I'd much rather know that he was able to help his family and then help someone in need rather than sticking things in a closet so he could preserve them.

 

That ended up being way longer and more rambling than I intended. If you managed to read all that you get a gold star :)


Edited by Piper Cub, 18 September 2015 - 03:40 PM.


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Posted 18 September 2015 - 04:04 PM

It's too late to edit my post, but Ft. Leonard Wood should be Ft. Lee. He was at both but Missouri is to far from DC and Gettysburg to have video of weekend trips there. That dosen't really change the main point any, but if I'm going to bother posting I might as well be reasonably accurate.




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