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#1 1canpara

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 01:47 PM

Hi all, I have recently picked up a couple of nice, not-messed-with front seam, fixed bail helmet shells, but they have no straps on them. Does anyone know of where I can acquire some original period chinstraps and is there anyone out there that can put them on in the proper manner..? or should I just leave them alone and display them without straps?...they have no markings or ID on them, just plain ol' shells....

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 01:50 PM

Hi all, I have recently picked up a couple of nice, not-messed-with front seam, fixed bail helmet shells, but they have no straps on them. Does anyone know of where I can acquire some original period chinstraps and is there anyone out there that can put them on in the proper manner..? or should I just leave them alone and display them without straps?...they have no markings or ID on them, just plain ol' shells....

Original strap sets come around on ebay once in a while (they won't be cheap, but shouldn't be too much) There's a pair on ebay now. http://cgi.ebay.com/...=item2305e325c5 As for putting them on I don't know, perhaps J Murray over at http://www.jmurrayinc1944.com/ can put them on for you?

Here's a set of late war straps by the same seller also. http://cgi.ebay.com/...=item2305e30ef4

Edited by Justin, 13 March 2010 - 01:53 PM.


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Posted 13 March 2010 - 01:55 PM

If you find some look for a shoe shop in your area and they can sew them on for you. It will help if you have a photo of the original stiching.

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 02:00 PM

thanks to both Justin and Cherokee for such rapid responses...I'll be watching those straps on e-bay...

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 02:07 PM

you could buy some repros from J Murray and weather them so the age matches the shell then hand sew them on with cotton thead.

some GI's hand sewed chin straps to replace damaged straps, sending the helmet in to have straps bar tacked will cost more than it's worth, thats why I would hand sew them on myself

since the originals are gone, I think it's acceptable to put some authentic reproduction straps on the helmet

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 09:43 PM

You may be able to use a household sewing machine if you get the correct needle for bartacking. Remember the chinstraps are heavy duty and when sewn on you need to go through three layers of that. If you want to avoid that and sending/taking it somewhere, you can always do it by hand like BOLO said. Make sure you get a thimble, though, you'll need it.

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Posted 14 March 2010 - 04:50 AM

You may be able to use a household sewing machine if you get the correct needle for bartacking. Remember the chinstraps are heavy duty and when sewn on you need to go through three layers of that. If you want to avoid that and sending/taking it somewhere, you can always do it by hand like BOLO said. Make sure you get a thimble, though, you'll need it.

Rob

Actually, most household machines don't have the horsepower to push through that triple layer of chin strap fabric. You'll need someone with a commercial grade machine similar to what leather crafters or shoe repair services use. Here's a link that'll give you a gage on what original bar-tacking looks like and how it was done: http://www.usmilitar...d...&hl=bartack

If the OP chooses to hand sew these, plan on having a very large needle and lots of patience because it'll take you at least an hour to do it correctly so that it looks somewhat close to original. Years ago I did a few of these and found that a small pliers actually worked better than a thimble to push the needle through. If it were me, I'd be finding someone to do it for me.

Finally if your going to use this helmet for display only, find a nice set of cut-offs from someplace like eBay, in which they have left the original bar-tack thread still in the straps. You can use super glue to put these back on, it holds very well and it has that original bar-tack look!

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Posted 14 March 2010 - 05:30 AM

For my fix bail shell I got some repro straps from J Murray, it has a repro USMC cover and liner strap in it so I didn't age it, brought it to the tailor and they put it on, the tack was only slightly far away from the middle and that's because the machine couldn't go that close.
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Posted 14 March 2010 - 06:03 AM

I do helmet bartacking using NOS WW2 USGI thread. It's not exactly like the original but it looks very close.

Bryan

Here is an example of my work.
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Posted 14 March 2010 - 07:04 AM

another tip if you hand sew them is after you get the folds right, use a hammer and flatten out the material to get the shape and the crease so everythings lined up before you start sewing.

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Posted 14 March 2010 - 07:13 AM

Bryan, you do some nice sewing!!......mike

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Posted 14 March 2010 - 08:43 AM

Hi.

I have attatched a couple of chinstaps recently, a real pain to try and match the original bartack look, as said before ,it's a bit of a knightmare to get the needle through, I soaked mine in water to soften them up a bit first.

Goood luck :thumbsup:

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Posted 14 March 2010 - 11:42 AM

Bryan, you do some nice sewing!!......mike


Thanks Mike, I use an older sewing machine that does a pretty good bartack. I've sewn many helmet chinstraps over the past 17 years. If anyone needs a helmet sewn send me a PM.

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Posted 14 March 2010 - 11:48 AM

Bryan, you do some nice sewing!!......mike

I'll say! Good stuff!

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Posted 14 March 2010 - 03:23 PM

yes indeed Bryan, that's some pretty fine sewing, and thanks for all the replies...I don't think I have the patience or the fine motor skills to pull off the DIY job, so if/when I find some decent straps (preferably originals / cut-offs) I'll look you up Bryan. I've acquired some decent helmets in the past few months and when I figure out how to adjust the resolution of my digital camera to fit the posting allowances, I'll show a few of them off,

thanks again everyone, this forum is a goldmine of info!

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 07:28 AM

Nice sewing job!

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 08:27 AM

yes indeed Bryan, that's some pretty fine sewing, and thanks for all the replies...I don't think I have the patience or the fine motor skills to pull off the DIY job, so if/when I find some decent straps (preferably originals / cut-offs) I'll look you up Bryan. I've acquired some decent helmets in the past few months and when I figure out how to adjust the resolution of my digital camera to fit the posting allowances, I'll show a few of them off,

thanks again everyone, this forum is a goldmine of info!



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