Bones Posted July 4, 2007 Share #1 Posted July 4, 2007 This jumper and hat was purchased about 1 month ago. I need some help with it as I have not identified the striker or specialty mark between the rate and the overseas stripe. Any help would be appreciated. The USS Winchester was a yacht taken over by the USN at the beginning of the war. It did patrol duty along the east coast of the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bones Posted July 4, 2007 Author Share #2 Posted July 4, 2007 Hat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cwnorma Posted July 4, 2007 Share #4 Posted July 4, 2007 Bones, That is a neat jumper! I love the WW1 headscratchers. It looks like a sort of stylized airplane? Or maybe that is a representation of the "paravanes" perhaps that was his specialty? Paravanes were the large panels hung off the sides of ships to deflect/detonate mines. Boy, to be honest, I'm just not sure. Are you positive the hat goes with the jumper? The Winchester didn't serve overseas, yet your gob has one overseas stripe? Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KASTAUFFER Posted July 4, 2007 Share #5 Posted July 4, 2007 It depends if the OS chevron is Silver or Gold. The silver ones sometimes age tone to gold. Silver chevrons were for stateside service, the gold for overseas. Kurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bones Posted July 5, 2007 Author Share #6 Posted July 5, 2007 It depends if the OS chevron is Silver or Gold. The silver ones sometimes age tone to gold. Silver chevrons were for stateside service, the gold for overseas. Kurt Here is a picture of the USS Winchester, as I stated earlier she just did stateside duty, it does say she was a test ship for mine laying operations. I believe the oversea stripe is silver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwnorma Posted July 5, 2007 Share #7 Posted July 5, 2007 Kurt, Not saying there weren't any, but I have never seen a Navy or Marine uniform with silver (or blue for less than 6 months) overseas stripes. If they are silver, it would be the first time I had seen same. Bones, Can we get good closeups of the insignia? Cheers! Chris It depends if the OS chevron is Silver or Gold. The silver ones sometimes age tone to gold. Silver chevrons were for stateside service, the gold for overseas. Kurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpcsdan Posted July 5, 2007 Share #8 Posted July 5, 2007 I'd love to have some info on that "mark", I've never seen one like it. It does look like an early minesweeping paravane "pig". Here's a 1940 Australian paravane: And a later 1960s era USN "pig": I'd also like to see a closeup photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KASTAUFFER Posted July 5, 2007 Share #9 Posted July 5, 2007 Kurt, Not saying there weren't any, but I have never seen a Navy or Marine uniform with silver (or blue for less than 6 months) overseas stripes. If they are silver, it would be the first time I had seen same. Bones, Can we get good closeups of the insignia? Cheers! Chris I own one Here is a Pic. The jumper is researched and he never left the states. Kircher, George, 797 Maple St., Rochester, N. Y. Entered the service at Buffalo, N. Y., April 2, 1918, at the age of 24 years, in U.S. Navy. Served, Naval Training Camp, Charleston, S. C., to May 6, 1918; Receiving Ship, Pensacola, Fla., to Nov. 11, 1918. Trained, Charleston, S. C. Landsman Carpenter's Mate, Aviation, 121 days; Carpenter's Mate, 2d Class, Aviation, 41 days. Discharged, March 4, 1919. Name Kircher, George Cemetery Holy Ghost Burial location Sec. M, lot 6 Division 12 Born Nov. 5, 1893 Rank C M 1/C Aviation Unit USN Died Nov. 9, 1972 at aged 79 Type of tombstone private Kurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bones Posted July 5, 2007 Author Share #10 Posted July 5, 2007 Here is a close up of the striker or specialty mark. Not very clear as I have not figured out our new camera yet. The uniform is named to C. Herman Siems but I have not had time to research him yet. It does appear to be the paravane mentioned above. It is not an anchor or an airplane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwnorma Posted July 6, 2007 Share #11 Posted July 6, 2007 Kurt, Well I'll be a some-bee-hatch! You have broadened my horizons! But I gotta say, this is why I love WW1 stuff; all the off-the-wall stuff! I Learned two new things today; There was a striker for "paravanes" and silver OSS were used by the Navy. Thanks to all! Mods, This one needs to find it's way to the reference section Thanks again to Kurt and Bones! Chris I own one Here is a Pic. The jumper is researched and he never left the states. Kircher, George, 797 Maple St., Rochester, N. Y. Entered the service at Buffalo, N. Y., April 2, 1918, at the age of 24 years, in U.S. Navy. Served, Naval Training Camp, Charleston, S. C., to May 6, 1918; Receiving Ship, Pensacola, Fla., to Nov. 11, 1918. Trained, Charleston, S. C. Landsman Carpenter's Mate, Aviation, 121 days; Carpenter's Mate, 2d Class, Aviation, 41 days. Discharged, March 4, 1919. Name Kircher, George Cemetery Holy Ghost Burial location Sec. M, lot 6 Division 12 Born Nov. 5, 1893 Rank C M 1/C Aviation Unit USN Died Nov. 9, 1972 at aged 79 Type of tombstone private Kurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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