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#51 Kurt Barickman

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Posted 25 September 2007 - 04:54 AM

There must have been some sort of program as there are numerous tanks outside of American Legions and VFWs all throughout rural Minnesota.


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Posted 25 September 2007 - 08:29 AM

It must have been a national program, there were several tanks (2 stuarts, 1 pershing , 1 M113 - left open at the end of my street) local to me(chicago) growing up. Most have been removed though, I know the Stuart that was in the town circle in Elmwood park was traded to a private collector for an artillery piece because someone in the towns government felt it was less threatening and less of a danger for kids climbing on.

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 02:56 PM

My understadning of this- and if someone actually knows for sure please correct me, but I was always told that when the Army gave tanks, etc. to veterans halls or towns they were actually considered "on loan" and if the item was ever removed from display or to be gotten rid of, it was to be turned back over to the Army.

I have heard rumors of people who in good faith have bought items that made their way to the private market like this, and are technically considered stolen property as the Army was sup[posed ot get them back to recycle into displays at other places, or scrap, or whatever.

If anyone can confrim or deny this please post - as I said, I have only heard whispers and rumors of this.

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Posted 02 October 2007 - 11:48 PM

The M-10 next to the Bastogne Museum is actually an Achilles (used by the British who changed the main gun).

A Panzerkampfwagen V or Panther is indeed standing in Houffalize and belonged to the 116. Panzer Division "Windhund".

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Posted 03 October 2007 - 03:25 AM

My understadning of this- and if someone actually knows for sure please correct me, but I was always told that when the Army gave tanks, etc. to veterans halls or towns they were actually considered "on loan" and if the item was ever removed from display or to be gotten rid of, it was to be turned back over to the Army.

I have heard rumors of people who in good faith have bought items that made their way to the private market like this, and are technically considered stolen property as the Army was sup[posed ot get them back to recycle into displays at other places, or scrap, or whatever.

If anyone can confrim or deny this please post - as I said, I have only heard whispers and rumors of this.


I've heard that too and I think I may have even read it somewhere, but can't remember where. They did the same thing with airplanes too. I understand that the tanks, airplanes, cannons, whatever, are fixed so they can't be fired, flown, driven. So basically the engines are removed (along with any other sensitive items) and any weapons are made so they can't be fired. The hatches may even be welded shut.

I want to say that basically any organization can request one, but they are responsible for the freight charges. You probably would see more of them if more people knew about the program. Not sure where you would start to get one or if they would let you "borrow" one to put on your front lawn, but it could be a DRMO (Defense Reutilization Management Office) thing. Would be interesting to find out.

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Posted 08 October 2007 - 06:14 PM

A friend of mine who is a full-time Major in the Maryland National Guard attached to the Military District of Washington was involved in releasing a few early M1 Abrams slicks into monuments. He said that there is a committee at the Pentagon that must approve all monument requests and that the requestee must agree to cover all costs in shipping and demilitarizing the vehicle- removing the breechblock, removing all of the fire control system, any radioactive materials, the powerpack and transmission and cleaning any hazardous materials from the tank. He said that the average cost was around $75,000 per vehicle, although that fee could be waived. He never mentioned a loan, and he talked like full ownership was given to the requestee. I'll ask for clarification next time I see him.

Apparently these early M1's were deemed surplus because of unrepairable hull damage. He said that almost all of the excess M551 AR/AAV and M60 series tanks were to be used as off shore reefs or spares for OPFOR vehicles at NTC and few if any remained for the monument program.

If anyone has any photos of M60A2 tanks as monuments, I'd be thrilled to see them.

Edited by DwightPruitt, 08 October 2007 - 06:21 PM.


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Posted 11 October 2007 - 11:19 AM

Hi guys,

Here are pics of the German Tiger displayed at Vimoutier in Normandy France. it belonged to the 103rd heavy tanks batalion of the SS.

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 11:22 AM

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Posted 14 October 2007 - 04:16 PM

Seeing as how this started in Deham, Mass- I swear I remember as a kid in the 1970's driving from Milton MA to Leachmere in Dedham that there was an FT-17 in front of a veteran's post. By the time I was old enough to actually know what it was, I could never find it.

I wonder what happened to it. Or if I was dreaming.

The Stewart tank in the first post is located very close to where the old Leachmere store was back in the day.....by the way what is an FT-17?.....mike

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Posted 14 October 2007 - 04:50 PM

Mike,

Here are a few FT-17's. They had different turret variations, but you get the idea. They were a hold over from WWI.

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Posted 27 October 2007 - 11:25 AM

here's an odd one from Ft. Lewis Wa.
I say odd because of the strange copula that rests on top of it.

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When i first drove by it during an FTX, the strange copula caught my eye.
So I came back later and took pic's.
Any ideas as to the type of copula?
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Posted 27 October 2007 - 01:09 PM

Kinda looks like its off a Vietnam era M60????

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Posted 27 October 2007 - 06:40 PM

Kinda looks like its off a Vietnam era M60????



I don't recall seeing anything like that in any of my references on the M60 (Patton). http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/think.gif
They all had inclose M85 .50 cal MG(s) in the copula.
It might be off an M551 Sheridan? http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/think.gif
Or,It does kinda looks like the one on the M114 APC from that era.
But it is only a vague resemblance. :unsure:

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Posted 28 October 2007 - 04:05 PM

I made a model of a Sheridan many moons ago and that might just be where its from, seems very familiar to me....Im sure some of the armor guys will recognize it as soon as they see it.....mike

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Posted 28 October 2007 - 05:10 PM

The cupola isn't from any standard M60 series tank or M551 AR/AAV. I don't think it's a M48 Israeli Urdan cupola either. I'm not sure if any of the M4 series had this type of cupola- sometimes organizational maintenance comes up with some strange things. There used to be a couple of M48A1 static memorials around the Ft Knox area that had M60A2 turrets popped on them. There was a lot of speculation how this came to pass, as in unpublished variants, but the simpler explanation was that after the A-Deuce had been taken out of service the hulls had been converted to AVLB and some turrets were surplus. They were mated to M48 gasser hulls to fill requests for static displays.

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 09:40 PM

The cupola isn't from any standard M60 series tank or M551 AR/AAV. I don't think it's a M48 Israeli Urdan cupola either. I'm not sure if any of the M4 series had this type of cupola- sometimes organizational maintenance comes up with some strange things. There used to be a couple of M48A1 static memorials around the Ft Knox area that had M60A2 turrets popped on them. There was a lot of speculation how this came to pass, as in unpublished variants, but the simpler explanation was that after the A-Deuce had been taken out of service the hulls had been converted to AVLB and some turrets were surplus. They were mated to M48 gasser hulls to fill requests for static displays.



I'd like to pic's of that.....
an M48 with the copula from an M60A2.
Any out there?

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 10:15 PM

A friend of mine who is a full-time Major in the Maryland National Guard attached to the Military District of Washington was involved in releasing a few early M1 Abrams slicks into monuments. He said that there is a committee at the Pentagon that must approve all monument requests and that the requestee must agree to cover all costs in shipping and demilitarizing the vehicle- removing the breechblock, removing all of the fire control system, any radioactive materials, the powerpack and transmission and cleaning any hazardous materials from the tank. He said that the average cost was around $75,000 per vehicle, although that fee could be waived. He never mentioned a loan, and he talked like full ownership was given to the requestee. I'll ask for clarification next time I see him.

Apparently these early M1's were deemed surplus because of unrepairable hull damage. He said that almost all of the excess M551 AR/AAV and M60 series tanks were to be used as off shore reefs or spares for OPFOR vehicles at NTC and few if any remained for the monument program.

If anyone has any photos of M60A2 tanks as monuments, I'd be thrilled to see them.


This may be a little off subject, but in Issue 110 (August, 2005) of Military Vehicle magazine, they discuss the 326th military history detachment. It would seem that their job is to figure out which artifacts found in war zones are of enough historical value to ship back to the states to war museums. They also demilitirize them and de contaminate them. The Article is called "Historic MVs Discovered in Afghanistan", by U.S. Army Pfc. Christina Carde.

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 10:41 PM

The Pennsylvania Military Museum at Boalsburg (in central PA near State College) has several tanks and artillery pieces on display outside. Throughout the eastern and midwest of the USA you see tanks on display in many small towns - in my dad's hometown of Philipsburg PA there's one at a public playground. You hardly ever see them in the western US.

Here's one at Boalsburg:

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Posted 19 November 2007 - 12:20 AM

sorry bout the pic, i should have taken one when i was there.

this sherman is in the Waiouru Army museum, in New Zealand, the thing that cought my eye was the 2 big trays underneath filled with what looks like kitty litter, they were catching the oil that was dripping out, im pretty sure its not just a static display, i think its all still intact, the ball machine gun felt like it was all still there when i grabbed it and moved it around lol

P.S on a side note i didnt see a fixed bail or front seam US M1 helmet while i was there either, only post ww2 repaints, might have to see about getting/giving them one lol

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Posted 19 November 2007 - 10:36 PM

Here is one that is outside the National Guard Armory in Fairbanks. I talked to the gentleman in the office, and he told me that the Base commander "aquired it" from the Guard as a monument in '72 or '73. He said it was in use by the Alaska National Guard in the sixties.

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There are a few more on Ft. Wainright. I'll just have to come up with a reason to get on Post.

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Posted 29 November 2007 - 04:33 PM

Looks like a Walker bulldog?.... http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/think.gif

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Posted 29 November 2007 - 09:08 PM

The Pennsylvania Military Museum at Boalsburg (in central PA near State College) has several tanks and artillery pieces on display outside. Throughout the eastern and midwest of the USA you see tanks on display in many small towns - in my dad's hometown of Philipsburg PA there's one at a public playground. You hardly ever see them in the western US.

Here's one at Boalsburg:

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Although not in pristine condition, I always thought the display of this Sherman was very haunting. As you can see it is in a wooded setting outside the museum. When I went to Penn State I drove past this tank several times at various times of the day. Depending on the season and the amount of daylight, it presented a very evocative image.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 01:16 PM

I dug this out of an old album. This is a late version Sherman that was turned into a monument at a VFW in Selingsgrove PA, just south of Williamsport on the north center portion of the state.

We used to pass through this town driving from Philadelphia to Niagara Falls NY. After spotting it the first time, I used to hoot and hollar until my Dad finally stopped one day so we could take a closer look.

The photo is dated 1966, and as you can see the vehicle looks pretty well preserved up to that point.

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Posted 06 January 2008 - 10:24 AM

This is the same one in St. Mere like on the first page but from a different angle

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And this one can be found at Utah beach next to the museum

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Posted 05 February 2008 - 12:07 AM

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This is at a VFW hall just outside Yuma Arizona

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