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Started by Tony-in-NH , Feb 07 2010 07:53 AM

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#1 Tony-in-NH

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 07:53 AM

Picked this one up a while ago. Finally got around to taking pictures of it. It is a shame it does not have a scabbard.

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 08:41 AM

Hello I hope you don't have one of these. The butt end of the sword blade was usually made into a bowie shape.

Here is a quote from Frank Tzaska in Knife Knotes VII.
" most interesting group of Anderson knives just came onto the market. And as quick as they appeared they were scooped up by our friend Bill Stone. These knives were never completed. They had the handle cast on but never finished. The thong holes are not drilled nor are the casting edges trimmed. Most notable is that the blades were never finished. This shows us how the Anderson knives were originally built. After the handles were cast in place the blade profiles were created through grinding. These four knives are the only ones I have ever encountered in this state and must be considered extremely rare in this condition. Our hopes are that they are bought by collectors who intend to keep them that way. It would be a sin to see them "finished" off as a regular Anderson knife and then sold. These four really need to stay in the unfinished shape they are in."

These Andersons were squared off at the tip. Yours looks modified. I HOPE I'M WRONG! Please correct me if I am.
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Posted 07 February 2010 - 09:05 AM

Hello I hope you don't have one of these. The butt end of the sword blade was usually made into a bowie shape.

Here is a quote from Frank Tzaska in Knife Knotes VII.
" most interesting group of Anderson knives just came onto the market. And as quick as they appeared they were scooped up by our friend Bill Stone. These knives were never completed. They had the handle cast on but never finished. The thong holes are not drilled nor are the casting edges trimmed. Most notable is that the blades were never finished. This shows us how the Anderson knives were originally built. After the handles were cast in place the blade profiles were created through grinding. These four knives are the only ones I have ever encountered in this state and must be considered extremely rare in this condition. Our hopes are that they are bought by collectors who intend to keep them that way. It would be a sin to see them "finished" off as a regular Anderson knife and then sold. These four really need to stay in the unfinished shape they are in."

These Andersons were squared off at the tip. Yours looks modified. I HOPE I'M WRONG! Please correct me if I am.
Marv



As far as I know it is not one of those 4. You also might want to look at pg 51 in KNIVES of the United States Military WORLD WAR II by Silvey.

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 09:25 AM

This is going to be interesting to follow. I've only seen a few Anderson knives and then not in person. Of the few I have seen the butt end was always finished out in a bowie cut. There are examples of other makers who finished out the blade in the spear point just like the one in this post. Could it be that Anderson did both?

Either way - cool knife Tony. :thumbsup: Bill

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 09:26 AM

These four knives are the only ones I have ever encountered in this state and must be considered extremely rare in this condition.


There ended up being allot more than 4, I've seen over a dozen of them since they first came to light. I have one of the unfinished ones myself, its as near mint as possible. Tony's spear point hilt section looks fine.

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 09:31 AM

As far as I know it is not one of those 4. You also might want to look at pg 51 in KNIVES of the United States Military WORLD WAR II by Silvey.


I knew I saw one somewhere before. Yep page 51 of Silvey's WW2 book. Thanks for posting the knife Tony. Bill

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 09:41 AM

Here's my uncut Anderson.

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#8 Tony-in-NH

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 09:53 AM

There ended up being allot more than 4, I've seen over a dozen of them since they first came to light. I have one of the unfinished ones myself, its as near mint as possible. Tony's spear point hilt section looks fine.

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I was talking to a gentleman at the last Tulsa Gun Show and he said that one individual had about a dozen blades at another show that had been reground into clip points. The grinding was so bad according to him that everyone knew they were fakes.

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 10:25 AM

The grinding was so bad according to him that everyone knew they were fakes.


Funny thing about that is you could give them to a competent knife maker and get a good grinding job on them that would be identical to the originals.

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 02:13 PM

Tony:

Here is what Frank T. says on his site about the Anderson blades:

http://www.usmilitar...om/anderson.htm

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 02:29 PM

Tony:

Here is what Frank T. says on his site about the Anderson blades:

http://www.usmilitar...om/anderson.htm

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I saw that. I am not worried at all.

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 08:36 PM

Tony:

Here is what Frank T. says on his site about the Anderson blades:

http://www.usmilitar...om/anderson.htm

Regards,
Charlie

It seems then that Tony has the more recently ground Anderson knife, not the WWII finished blades.
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Posted 08 February 2010 - 04:10 AM

It seems then that Tony has the more recently ground Anderson knife, not the WWII finished blades.
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I want to thank you for your comments on my knife. It is what it is. I make no excuses for it. It stands on it own. I respect others opinions, however on some I place more value.

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 10:32 AM

Picked this one up a while ago. Finally got around to taking pictures of it. It is a shame it does not have a scabbard.

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Tony;

Nice pickup! I can't quite make out the serial number on the blade...can you tell us what it is?

Thanks!

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 02:33 PM

Spent too much time farting around in my photo archives and timed out for an edit to my last post, but I've seen many Anderson knives made from hilt sections with spear points and have a half-dozen in my photo archives (I only save images of serial-numbered examples)...

Here's #1989, which I first saw in 2002 IIRC, and most recently surfaced at a Greg Martin Auction in November:

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 09:42 PM

Gentlemen:
On the issue of these Anderson's, I can weight in a little. On Frank's note about the 4 unfinished specimens that Bill Stone scooped up I have to say that I was able to pry them out of him. They are all the unfinished type and they are all Springfield's. I am not able to record the numbers tonite but will post them later.

On the spear point type by Tony I can only add that I have pictures of one in the unfinished state and later it appeared reground as a spear point. In both cases the serial number is the same.

As for the 4 I have I intend for them to remain in that condition as they are to valuable to fool with. Original specimens are rare and in the altering the words of Will Rodger's, "they ain't making any more of em". When I am about to croak and have to part with them, I intend to send them to an auction as a group only and hope for the best after that for the collecting fraternity.

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 03:04 AM

Gentlemen:
On the issue of these Anderson's, I can weight in a little. On Frank's note about the 4 unfinished specimens that Bill Stone scooped up I have to say that I was able to pry them out of him. They are all the unfinished type and they are all Springfield's. I am not able to record the numbers tonite but will post them later.

On the spear point type by Tony I can only add that I have pictures of one in the unfinished state and later it appeared reground as a spear point. In both cases the serial number is the same.

As for the 4 I have I intend for them to remain in that condition as they are to valuable to fool with. Original specimens are rare and in the altering the words of Will Rodger's, "they ain't making any more of em". When I am about to croak and have to part with them, I intend to send them to an auction as a group only and hope for the best after that for the collecting fraternity.

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I guess I eat crow on this one.

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Posted 10 February 2010 - 07:00 AM

They are all the unfinished type and they are all Springfield's. I am not able to record the numbers tonite but will post them later.


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Posted 10 February 2010 - 09:04 PM

Gent's:

Here is the info on the four blanks I bought.

1913 SN 2890
1913 SN 7521
1914 SN 21346
1914 SN 27900

On the blank that was converted to spear point info is 1914 SN 8486

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Posted 13 February 2010 - 08:06 PM

Here are mine. The top is an LF&C 1918.
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