zotig111 Posted January 24, 2010 Share #1 Posted January 24, 2010 Can anyone help with some info on the Japanese War Crimes patch? I can't seem to find an anwer in any of my reference books. I have seen quite a few "Philippine-made" variants lately. I realize that the patch was locally made during the trial period in the PI and that 99.9% of the ones I have seen lately are modern repros. I did see a cotton version of this patch and started wondering if The Patch King made the Japanese War Crimes patch in cotton? The patch I saw is the same construction as US mass produced unit patches and is similar to the machine embroidered Patch King Nuremburg Trials I have. I have only seen one cotton ME Japanese War Crimes patch and need some help. The dealer offering this for sale has never disappointed me in the past so I am ready to think that Patch King did make these patches as well. HELP!!! Thank you in advance, Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Kraut Posted January 24, 2010 Share #2 Posted January 24, 2010 Tom, what do you mean with "Japanese War Crimes patch"? Do you refer to the so called "Japan Military Trials Staff" patch or to the "Sugamo Prison" patches? Lars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintageproductions Posted January 24, 2010 Share #3 Posted January 24, 2010 The patch you are referring to is actually a Philippine Military Police unit patch. They were involved with the Manila trials. All the US made ones were made for collectors by Patch King or Hobby Guild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airborne-Hunter Posted January 24, 2010 Share #4 Posted January 24, 2010 Talk about ironic....I just talked to a patch guy about these this morning. The fully embroidered ones are patch king pieces. The Philippine made ones, are on a very thin twill and made in a specific manner. They may look odd, but they are real. Another person that would be really great to talk to Dave / tredhed2 on the forum here. He knows his stuff and is a great guy too! :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zotig111 Posted January 24, 2010 Author Share #5 Posted January 24, 2010 Tom, what do you mean with "Japanese War Crimes patch"? Do you refer to the so called "Japan Military Trials Staff" patch or to the "Sugamo Prison" patches? Lars The Japan Military Trials... Photos attached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zotig111 Posted January 24, 2010 Author Share #6 Posted January 24, 2010 The Japan Military Trials...Photos attached. And the back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintageproductions Posted January 24, 2010 Share #7 Posted January 24, 2010 Here is the true WWII era patch. It is Philippine machine embroidered on a stiff linen / muslin material. The one shown above is the one made for collectors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zotig111 Posted January 24, 2010 Author Share #8 Posted January 24, 2010 Thank you all for the info. Any idea on the value of the collector copy vs. the originals? Thanks again, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtA Posted January 25, 2010 Share #9 Posted January 25, 2010 This patch isn't listed in any 1940's Hobby Guild/Patch King catalogue that I have. And, I have never obtained one in a 1940's era collection (the typical 1940's type of collection loaded with Patch King patches). I believe the U.S. made version was "created" well after the 1940's. Over the years, a lot of collectors have been duped into paying way too much money for these. Kurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steverino Posted January 25, 2010 Share #10 Posted January 25, 2010 Here is the true WWII era patch. It is Philippine machine embroidered on a stiff linen / muslin material. The one shown above is the one made for collectors. Right on, Bob. Collectors should also remember that there were fully embroidered Philippine-made "War Crimes Trial" patches as well. From what I (and others) can find out thus far, the patches with this design were for a Philippine Army MP unit, but that there were a few U.S. military either attached to the Philippine unit or acted as advisors. Therefore, these patches (the Philippine-made versions) were worn by a few U.S. folks. And to confirm what KurtA has posted, I cannot recall this patch design ever being offered by either the Patch King or any of the other post-war insignia collector clubs. Perhaps my memory is faulty, but if anyone has a copy of this patch for sale, please post it. Patch Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Kraut Posted January 25, 2010 Share #11 Posted January 25, 2010 Here is the true WWII era patch. It is Philippine machine embroidered on a stiff linen / muslin material. The one shown above is the one made for collectors. Such a patch is offered on ebay right now. http://cgi.ebay.de/Philippine-Made-Japanes...=item1e5a1c97da Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tredhed2 Posted January 25, 2010 Share #12 Posted January 25, 2010 The patch you are referring to is actually a Philippine Military Police unit patch. They were involved with the Manila trials. All the US made ones were made for collectors by Patch King or Hobby Guild. I have been working on an article about this subject, for more than a year, to be published in The Trading Post upon completion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zotig111 Posted January 26, 2010 Author Share #13 Posted January 26, 2010 Thanks again everyone for all of the info. I can't wait to read tredhed's article... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chcole1 Posted December 28, 2011 Share #14 Posted December 28, 2011 This is on EB right now for over $200. I don't know enough about bullion patches but I thought the ones with the beaded trim are Paki fakes. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted December 28, 2011 Share #15 Posted December 28, 2011 Proceed with care with these Japanese "War Trials" type patches as they have been widely faked. As I understand it, the majority of originals were hand embriodered in the Philippines. You are also right to be wary of Paki-style bullion work. They've done a lot to undermine the genuine bullion market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hudson Posted December 28, 2011 Share #16 Posted December 28, 2011 This is on EB right now for over $200. I don't know enough about bullion patches but I thought the ones with the beaded trim are Paki fakes. Chris I've merged your post into an older thread that deals with these types of patches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiaiokalewa Posted December 30, 2011 Share #17 Posted December 30, 2011 I have been working on an article about this subject, for more than a year, to be published in The Trading Post upon completion. JWCT SSI "Have another look" article is complete and is in circulation in the current Trading Post (Oct-Dec 2011). Before spending piles of money on any of the patches original or not you should really read Dave's comprehensive article on the subject. It's an eye opener and for those that had already spent big bucks on them it's going to be a real knee jerk reaction. Aloha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack's Son Posted December 30, 2011 Share #18 Posted December 30, 2011 One from my collection..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack's Son Posted December 30, 2011 Share #19 Posted December 30, 2011 Back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Posted December 30, 2011 Share #20 Posted December 30, 2011 That's a hell of a patch, Jack's Son! :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steverino Posted December 30, 2011 Share #21 Posted December 30, 2011 One from my collection..... All, Here is a Philippine-made, all-embroidered version of the patch in question. After Dave Kaufman's article I vowed never to call the patch a "JWCT" again. Patch Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack's Son Posted December 30, 2011 Share #22 Posted December 30, 2011 Well Patch, there are some differences. Anyone have a thought about the variations?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintageproductions Posted December 30, 2011 Share #23 Posted December 30, 2011 every tailor did them slightly different. I also have a raw silk, hand embroidered one, with snaps on the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smwinter207 Posted June 11, 2017 Share #24 Posted June 11, 2017 Another example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchcollector Posted June 13, 2017 Share #25 Posted June 13, 2017 Regardless of whether they are American or Filipino unit pieces the fact is that these were worn by US Soldiers during postwar War Crimes Trials held in the P.I,so IMO these are,and always will be to me,Japanese War Crimes Trial patches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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