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#1 DM1975

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Posted 10 June 2007 - 08:25 PM

Here is my two Vietnam era rifles. Both are on semi auto receivers. The M16A1 is original military issue all besides the lower receiver and the XM177E2 is about ahalf original. The buttstock, pistol grip, ejection port cover, and buffer are original and the rest was sourced out. It is about as original as you can get without a tax stamp. Plus all the equipment is original as well.

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 12:16 PM

cool rifles! does the XM177E2 have the original muzzle brake sound moderator?

I read somewhere that the BATF considers the XM177E2 muzzle brake as a silencer? because it was designed to cut down on noise levels a little to make it easier for the shooter.

is the buttstock aluminum with a rubber coating or synthetic?

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 02:10 PM

Thanks, the buttstock is the original aluminum 2 position with the rubber coating on it. The moderator is a repro and originals are NFA items because they cut the noise down by about 2 decibles... Here is a better shot of it.

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 02:39 PM

thats about as close as you can get to owning a XM177E2 in a semi auto version.

they experimented with several different variations, like these shown here with the chopped down buttstock and hanguards, and extra short barrels.

I prefer to use the 20 rd mags on a carbine, because it makes the rifle a little lighter, compact, easier to use in confined space, being able to shoot easier from the prone or off a table with a shorter mag.

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 02:43 PM

Those are two XM607's and one XM177E1. I know the guy that ownes those pictured. All three repros.

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Posted 19 June 2007 - 08:22 AM

I prefer to use the 20 rd mags on a carbine, because it makes the rifle a little lighter, compact, easier to use in confined space, being able to shoot easier from the prone or off a table with a shorter mag.


I am just opposite. I like a 30 rnd magazine for about anything besides for precision shooting where I will be shooting off of bipods or a bench, other than that I do not shoot off of a bench. A carbine is not exactly a precision weapon so for me, 30 rndrs it is, plus it means more bullets between reloads. Plaster, in his book secret commandos, talks about the importance of this and how having the 30 round magazines in Vietnam saved his butt once.

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Posted 19 June 2007 - 12:46 PM

I like the 20 rounders mostly because they make the carbine more compact, lighter, and I think they look better on a carbine

plus the 20 rd mags are more reliable

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Posted 19 June 2007 - 12:55 PM

I think the reliability issue is an old wives tail. I have all examples of the USGI 30 rnd magazine and I have zero issues out of them. After over 12 years of service I have yet to have but one malfunction with a magazine, and it was because the body was crushed up a bit.

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Posted 19 June 2007 - 04:06 PM

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Here is my totally de-milled Stoner 63/63a. Reciever, barrel and gas tube have been cut and rewelded, solid block welded into the reciever. This is the classic Mk23 Mod O configuration. The other common config. was the 150rd. drum. How the weapon was configured was up to the individual SEAL.

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Posted 19 June 2007 - 04:12 PM

More pics....stoner1.JPG receiver.JPG
Welded up reciever.

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Posted 19 June 2007 - 04:16 PM

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This shows the China Lake 250rd. experimental drum that was used by SEAL Team 1 in 1971. I have photos and video of SEALs using these drums, mostly from mid-71 on.

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Posted 19 June 2007 - 04:18 PM

http://video.google....4...h&plindex=3

interesting video with history of the Stoner 63 machine gun, and firing demos

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Posted 19 June 2007 - 04:21 PM

nostock.JPG wirestock.JPG Some SEALs carried their Stoners without a buttstock. Also, I have a few pics of SEALs from both Teams 1 and 2 using the wire buttstock, wasn't very common though.

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Posted 19 June 2007 - 04:28 PM

nostock.JPG wirestock.JPG Some SEALs carried their Stoners without a buttstock. Also, I have a few pics of SEALs from both Teams 1 and 2 using the wire buttstock, wasn't very common though.


I have the video about the Stoner Machine gun used in Vietnam, and a former SEAL says that some guys use to carry it without a buttstock, but he said that it needed a stock, because without a stock the stoner 63 was hard to control, you needed the stock to use it effectively to engage the enemy.

he said the Stoner 63 definitely should have a stock, so you could at least hold it under your arm to steady the weapon, or bring it up to your shoulder.

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Posted 19 June 2007 - 04:38 PM

My friend did that video, some of my silver tigerstripe shirts and pants were used in the shooting scenes.

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Posted 19 June 2007 - 04:52 PM

I used to own a live Stoner. Sold it about 6 years ago for 60K!!! Great gun though...I was sorry to see it leave.

Gary

My friend did that video, some of my silver tigerstripe shirts and pants were used in the shooting scenes.



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Posted 19 June 2007 - 05:30 PM

Spike

the experimental drum looks like a Chinese ammo can, I have a ammo can like that with a communist star on the side

I remember in the video I have he mentions they used a Chi Com ammo can welded to hold an extra long ammo belt, so they could carry more ammo without reloading, and put down alot of firepower

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Posted 19 June 2007 - 05:38 PM

I keep hearing about guys using a ChiCom drum modded to fit a Stoner but in the 1000's of photos and slides I have of SEALs in VN I have never seen a picture of one being used.

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Posted 19 June 2007 - 05:53 PM

Now that is cool... I would like to try and find something like that some day. I am working on an XM607 and an XM16E1 right now but if I coud get a Stoner I would be buch happy.

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Posted 19 June 2007 - 06:09 PM

I just happened to be at the right place at the right time to get this and it wasn't cheap, some stuff was given to me by a 2 tour SEAL which was cool.

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Posted 25 June 2007 - 09:32 AM

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150rd. Stoner box.

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 06:04 AM

Spike: Nice Stoner,Spike...You are lucky man..I have my own Stoner Mk23 mod.0, but it's only my replica and some details missing :-(...Im soo lucky ..Nice to see and know that few legendary Stoners survive.:-). Beautiful weapon..My love forever...

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 06:42 AM

M3A1 Vietnam -

My M3A1, it is fully functional. Ithaca manufactured between 1955-1956.

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VN Dec 67

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Montagnards training with M3A1s.

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 08:09 AM

hello
i have found these photos in the web

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 08:28 AM

this is a car 15 commando
found in vietnam in 1990's

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