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M1 Carbine sling - original?

Started by POLAND1st2FIGHT , Dec 16 2009 12:33 PM

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#1 POLAND1st2FIGHT

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Posted 16 December 2009 - 12:33 PM

Hi,

What do you think about that M1 Carbine sling? Is it original?

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Marked "B.B. Inc. 1943" - I got a Thompson 5-cell mag pouch marked the same. Notice "D" type sling ends.

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Oiler bought together with sling, marked "IS" (International Silver).

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Posted 16 December 2009 - 12:56 PM

The sling is a repro. The metal tips should be "C" shaped not "D" shaped for WWII period made slings...

Here are mint examples from Riverbank Armory...

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Posted 16 December 2009 - 02:51 PM

What is the width and length?
If the correct size, I'm curious if it could be for the Reising. The Reising sling used the "D" style ends.
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Posted 16 December 2009 - 04:29 PM

Here's a pic of two of my slings. Reising top, carbine below. Kim

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#5 POLAND1st2FIGHT

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Posted 17 December 2009 - 02:04 AM

What is the width and length?


Total length: 120 centimetres / 47.24 inches
Width: 2.5 centimetres / 0.98 inch

The rest on photos:

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Posted 17 December 2009 - 03:57 AM

Luke,
The original sling on my Reising is slightly wider than a carbine sling, about 1 1/16 inches wide. It is shorter than a carbine sling, about 43 inches long.
On the other hand, the width of the early khaki colored carbine sling I have is slightly narrower than the Reising at about 1 inch. On the other hand, it is longer than the Reising at about 46 1/4 inches.

I agree with OD Man. My opinion is yours is a carbine sling but not of WWII vintage. I've always been told that WWII vintage carbine slings had the "C" shaped tips except at possibly the very end of the war when they may have introduced the "D" tip. Of course there were color changes in material as the war progressed so one would expect any of the later war versions would be of the darker green. I've seen a few WWII vintage carbine slings with one end a "C" tip and the other end a "D" tip!

Johan, I have no idea what to think of your package!
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Posted 17 December 2009 - 11:39 AM

Thanks for opinions.

I got two additional questions:

1. Could be possible that a web sling is original and the rest metal parts were added/replaced later or they're replicas?

2. Has anybody ever heard about that producer - B.B., Inc. ? What is the full name? I've found carbine ammo pouches marked with that stamp (dated 1943) and M1923 pistol mag pouch (dated 1942) - could send links. As I wrote I got a TSMG 5-cell mag pouch marked in the back "B.B. Inc. 1943" (I've never seen such pouch from that producer before but maybe better idea will be to start a new topic in Field & Personal gear section cause I don't want to make trash here).

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Posted 17 December 2009 - 05:34 PM

Thanks for opinions.

I got two additional questions:

1. Could be possible that a web sling is original and the rest metal parts were added/replaced later or they're replicas?

2. Has anybody ever heard about that producer - B.B., Inc. ? What is the full name? I've found carbine ammo pouches marked with that stamp (dated 1943) and M1923 pistol mag pouch (dated 1942) - could send links. As I wrote I got a TSMG 5-cell mag pouch marked in the back "B.B. Inc. 1943" (I've never seen such pouch from that producer before but maybe better idea will be to start a new topic in Field & Personal gear section cause I don't want to make trash here).

Regards,
Luke



B.B. Inc. was a manufacturer of Thompson five cell pouches. They are not that easy to find and one I am looking for.

Edited by 101CH47, 17 December 2009 - 05:35 PM.


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Posted 17 December 2009 - 06:46 PM

I have been under the assumption both D and C tip slings were WWII, with the latter being early and D style being late?

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Posted 17 December 2009 - 06:53 PM

I have been under the assumption both D and C tip slings were WWII, with the latter being early and D style being late?



I am not an expert (not at all) but I always heard that the contract for D tip ends started post war. I have never seen an original WWII dated D tip sling. :unsure:

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Posted 18 December 2009 - 09:24 AM

I've searched the internet again and looked at original WWII photos saved on my computer. Check what I've found:

1. sling found on Hayes Otoupalik website, described as "WW2 M1 Carbine Web Sling":

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2. soldier from 2nd Rangers with carbine in Pointe du Hoc:

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa173/poland1st2fight/M1Carbinesling.jpg

3. good quality photo showing soldiers with carbines:

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa173/poland1st2fight/M1Carbinesling2.jpg

What do you think about it?

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Luke

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Posted 18 December 2009 - 11:33 AM

I can find lots of good pics showing the sling with the "C" tips, In my book "The M1 Carbine" I found a pic that shows two marines on Russell island in 1945. Here is the pic..see what you think..the line is to perfect to be a shadow.

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Posted 18 December 2009 - 11:40 AM

I can find lots of good pics showing the sling with the "C" tips, In my book "The M1 Carbine" I found a pic that shows two marines on Russell island in 1945. Here is the pic..see what you think..the line is to perfect to be a shadow.



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Posted 19 December 2009 - 01:43 PM

None of us are absolute experts when it comes to questions about things like this.
However I found a thread where Bill Ricca chimed in with his opinion about carbine slings on another site and I value his opinion. Follow the thread to see what was discussed. Kim

http://www.milsurps....ighlight=slings


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