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#21 sigsaye

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Posted 27 November 2009 - 10:51 AM

Thanks Franck

Best from FL 450 !!!!!!!!

Great displays, thank you. I have a question. When did Naval Aviators go to wearing black boots? When I went into the Navy in '72, I worked the flight deck of USS Kitty Hawk. No one was wearing brown boots. When did they shift?

Thanks again,
Steve hesson

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Posted 27 November 2009 - 01:27 PM

Thanks JK,

This pressure suit is the USN MK IV (only the life preserver is a MK III) it was used by 1958 for crews flying over 50000 Ft : F8U Crusader, F4D1 Phantom, F11F Tiger and A3J / RA5C in early 60s.

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Thanks for info Croc!!!! This suit is very neat item and expensive...

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Posted 28 November 2009 - 09:46 AM

Very impressive Croc! Also very interesting that you display a VF162 pilot. I just purchased an Aviation Green blouse from Bob Hudson which is ID'ed to Bob Punches who flew the Crusader with 162 on two cruises to Nam. It's a blank slate but I do plan on restoring it properly. Very nice display Croc!

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Posted 30 November 2009 - 04:56 AM

Hi,

Nice jacket, you can see VF 162 members during 1967 cruise, Lt Punches is on bottom row

VF_162___67.jpg

Steve, black flight boots (MIL-B-21408 Boots Safety ) were introduced by 1970 cruises, but I don't know the exact date of this Mil Spé, you can see 'em on the following 1970 cruise photo aboard USS Kitty Hawk

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#25 CROC

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Posted 30 November 2009 - 05:01 AM

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Posted 30 November 2009 - 05:39 AM

A view of the black leather USN safety boots

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Posted 30 November 2009 - 06:32 AM

A view of the black leather USN safety boots

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Thanks CROC, those are the boots I remember. Any one who could get their hands on them wore them. I wore those for my last two years before I retired, as a Senior chief Signalman serving aboard an LPD.

Steve Hesson

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Posted 30 November 2009 - 05:50 PM

Croc thanks a hundred times over for posting that picture!
Colin







Hi,

Nice jacket, you can see VF 162 members during 1967 cruise, Lt Punches is on bottom row

VF_162___67.jpg

Steve, black flight boots (MIL-B-21408 Boots Safety ) were introduced by 1970 cruises, but I don't know the exact date of this Mil Spé, you can see 'em on the following 1970 cruise photo aboard USS Kitty Hawk



#29 CROC

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Posted 02 December 2009 - 01:06 AM

Hi Colin,

do you know the other squadron he was deployed ? I didn't found him in the 1966 VF 162 cruise book, may be I can locate some other pictures ?

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Posted 02 December 2009 - 04:41 PM

Well Croc,
I wish I could give you an absolute answer on that but the best I know right now is that he flew with 162 from Oriskany in 67 and then he flew combat in Nam again off of the Ranger in 72. I am still waiting to get the copies of his records. Either he was with VF-113, VF-21, or VF-154. I have looked at the 72-72 Westpac Ranger cruise book online but it doesn't seem to list airwing members by name. Any help you could give me would be great!
Thanks croc,
Colin

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 09:51 AM

Hi

I enclose you an other typical F8 pilot, from 1966, just before the new equipment of my previous post, with PR modified fatigue, Z3 gsuit, modified SV1, MK3C Life preserver, modified MA2 Torso harness, APH6B Helmet, B3A gloves.

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 11:59 AM

Many impressive and detailed pilots as always! :thumbsup:
Thank you Yves.

I will show an end of 50's era A-4 pilot when I will have dressed my puppet!

Franck

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Posted 15 January 2010 - 11:56 AM

Great stuff .
It is plain to see you put alot of hard work into this .
Any chance of posting articles you had done for Militaria magazine ?
Thanks
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Posted 15 January 2010 - 02:36 PM

[size="3"]Hello Croc,

Hello Croc,

It is good to find you again, and I see that you are still researching Navy flight gear used during the Vietnam War, which I continue to do so as well.
We were in regular contact last during 2008, until I moved to a different job in Texas (going back to my old lab, where we conduct forensic analysis of flight gear artifacts that are recovered from loss sites in South East Asia, involving US MIA personnel from the Vietnam War.

My new email is 'alejandro.villalva@brooks.af.mil, if you want to contact me, and discuss flight gear.

I will offer some good info about the Navy's black-colored Safety Boots used during VN.

This Military Specification is dated in June 1970, and the overall boot color was changed from Brown to Black. However, the overall boot design did not change, so this 1970 version boot is identical in design to it predecessors, aside from its black overall color (black leather uppers and outsoles).

Your Navy black boot picture appears to be a later (post-Vietnam) version black boot, which was different in using a modified chevron outsole, and smaller eyelets.

I include a photo of my late war vintage black Navy Safety Boots, which are dated October 1972, and thus, fall under the above June 1970 Mil Spec. My 1972 boots use the correct wartime rubber 'traction tread' outsole, which was the outsole type used after the earlier crepe' rubber outsole, and the Vibram type mountain rubber outsole.

Hope this info helps, and hope to hear from you soon.

Blue Skies,

Alex Villalva

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 08:57 AM

Hi,

thanks Alex ;) for this update, informations about USN flight boots are difficult to locate.

Owen, unfortunatly Militaria articles are copyrighted and I'm not allowed to post 'em, it seems that 1960s USN aviation collectors are very few, may be because documents about are difficult to locate ?

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 09:19 AM

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Thas a shame as I know there are guys on this forum who have NEVER heard for this ground breaking French magazine .
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Posted 20 January 2010 - 01:02 PM

Hi all
Than you very much for these very interesting informations about USN black boots.
Collecting 50's USN and USAF flight gears I would like to know when the brown flight boots were issued. Also the orange flight suit (Mil Spec 5390-E). I think from 1960 but I have no sure information.
I will mount my end of 50's USN pilot gears on my puppet and post some pics on the forum asap.

Cheers
Franck

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 09:53 AM

Hi Frank,

Brown flight boots officially called High Top flight safety boots, initially available only with high altitude pressure suit were released for issue to all flight personnel on july 1st 1962. The price was 10.5$ per pair.
During evaluation at NATC Patuxent River they appeared to be superior to the N1 field shoes it replaces.
The side zipper of the Arrowhead pressure suit boots has been eliminated in this model.

The 5390E flight suit was from 1959.

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 10:09 AM

Hi Frank,

Brown flight boots officially called High Top flight safety boots, initially available only with high altitude pressure suit were released for issue to all flight personnel on july 1st 1962. The price was 10.5$ per pair.
During evaluation at NATC Patuxent River they appeared to be superior to the N1 field shoes it replaces.
The side zipper of the Arrowhead pressure suit boots has been eliminated in this model.

The 5390E flight suit was from 1959.

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Croc


Thank you very much for these informations, Yves.

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 04:46 AM

Great displays, thank you. I have a question. When did Naval Aviators go to wearing black boots? When I went into the Navy in '72, I worked the flight deck of USS Kitty Hawk. No one was wearing brown boots. When did they shift?

Thanks again,
Steve hesson



They may not have been wearing brown boots on the USS Kitty Hawk in 1972 but in 1967 those naval aviators certainly were wearing brown boots. In fact at that particular time that style of boot were probably the boot of choise. Although not an expert, I am the son of a naval aviator that was aboard the USS Oriskany from 1966 through 1968 and recall my late Father wearing those same brown boots. This next photograph should clear up that fact.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll314/Maverickson-152/WildmanBruflat1.jpg

In this image seen above my Father who is seen top right wearing his khakis, no hat with his left hand resting on his thigh. Although not completely clear he is in fact wearing his brown leather flight boots. Those same boots were a topic of conversation at that time as expained by my Father, during one of his flights a spent round from small arms fire came up through his cockpit and lodged itself in the sole of one of those same boots. Unfortunately, he and I being the same size I wore those same brown boots out during the late 1970s through the 1980s.

Croc, you have an fine display & it seems to me that those same brown boots look very correct for that time. That same photograph as seen above can be found at this website http://raunchyredski... Jan 68 Pix.htm from what I understand to have been the 29th and final shoot down from that same Oriskany cruise.

Cheers, Dave

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