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#26 teufelhunde.ret

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 10:08 AM

Have seen left & right singles in pinback & screwback, of these collar emblem come to auction, cannot recall seeing a matched set of pinback's come to auction. Sold on ebay this week for $740. some collector is happy!

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 12:57 PM

Hi all I recently acquired a WWII 3rd Mar Div grouping and I have all his EGA's. The problem is the collar EGA's are off the blouse and the rollers have gaulled to the post. I am wondering if anyone has a technique for loosening the rollers. I.E. soaking in WD-40 or equivilant, applying heat. I know from 20+ years in the autobody repair field that one has to be very careful as not to snap the posts. I could buy a matched set of WWII birds but really want to put his originals back on the blouse. Anyway thanks in advance!

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 06:35 AM

Mike - I had a set of zinc rollers that seized up like yours. Soaked them in Break Free for a few days an they came apart. Good luck!

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 12:30 PM

I heard WD-40 worked, but trying it on a couple of plastic collar emblems...sprayed twice a day for three days...epic fail

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 01:11 PM

WD-40 = Water Displacement formula 40 NOT real good for penetrating. PB Blaster or the sort is the best. Watch out on plastic though, may eat it.
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Posted 18 May 2010 - 06:02 PM

thanks guys for the info. I thought my situation wasn't unique :) . I have his dress blues cap badge, his regular cap badge, the collar matched pair, and his side cap badge which is plastic. I was concerned about marring the finish on the metal ones but it does not sound like that will be an issue. Will let you all know how it works out.

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 06:34 PM

I've found Kroil to be really useful for this sort of thing, but I'm sure there are plenty of penetrating oils that will work.

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 01:37 PM

I would like to report some good news! I got the rollers off without damaging the posts. I sure am a happy fellow today :hapy0003: The only drawback is some of the patina was removed so they almost look as new, but I am not complaining! thanks all for the advice and direction.

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 12:16 PM

just got this in, a nice 1908-1912 'Ellis' collar emblem. The North America has fallen off, but South America is intact, somplete with roller and unmarked

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 12:16 PM

the continents...

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Posted 24 May 2010 - 03:23 PM

just got this in, very interesting full feathered enlisted M37 varient collar emblem. Some interesting things about this...note the roller, one side marked 'S.S.', I assume for Sterling Silver, and the other side 'Dodge Inc Chicago'

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Posted 24 May 2010 - 03:24 PM

more interesting...the roller is very, very thin but the roller fits snug...also notice the feet, long legs on the globe itself and long toes. sorry for the dim light, weather is bad today

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Posted 24 May 2010 - 04:21 PM

I've also seen a pair of Colonel eagles recently marked Dodge Inc Chicago

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Posted 24 May 2010 - 07:55 PM

It is hard to say that the EGA itself was made by Dodge, unless it is marked? It does seem to have some different mold marks on the back, but cant really tell from your pics. Almost looks like one of the cheap "Tijuana leads". Its frontal appeaance doesnt look that much different. Is it malleable?
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Posted 25 May 2010 - 10:23 AM

Tim, a most interesting possibility for sure. Dodge inc. did manufacture service arm, branch, distinctive unit, and all forms of insignia during WW2. Here are a couple items with their hallmark. While the front is stereo-typical the back is unique with the high relief molded edge. I do not recall having seen this variation, the lead types are certainly more crude than this one. Sadly the only connection is the fact the roller came w/ it and absent a hallmark... well you know what we say about rollers "one size fits all". s/f Darrell

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 02:47 PM

the emblem is brass, and the screw post is much thinner than the standard posts, flower rollers and the such are too large for it

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 01:36 PM

Tim, a most interesting possibility for sure. Dodge inc. did manufacture service arm, branch, distinctive unit, and all forms of insignia during WW2. Here are a couple items with their hallmark. While the front is stereo-typical the back is unique with the high relief molded edge. I do not recall having seen this variation, the lead types are certainly more crude than this one. Sadly the only connection is the fact the roller came w/ it and absent a hallmark... well you know what we say about rollers "one size fits all". s/f Darrell

Good stuff, had no idea about Dodge made insignia.

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Posted 09 July 2010 - 12:06 PM

first, I'd like to invite you to take a look at this photo of a service emblem from the ref section

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Posted 09 July 2010 - 12:08 PM

and a dress partial I got in today...the eagle is missing, god knows where...makes you want to cry

while there are some differences between the two...I belive the anchor itself, angles/flukes...suggest same jeweler or inspired from each other

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Posted 09 July 2010 - 12:09 PM

can't see with the shadow, there's an impression from where the mounting bar on the rear connected in the globe, a common practice of reinforcement with jeweler made pieces

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Posted 10 July 2010 - 05:02 AM

Whoa! What an eye, I would have never picked it out of that group of misc insignia! Good pick! It is a real gem too, what a shame the eagle is missing Well your young enough... maybe someday you will come across a likely candidate to replace the eagle... quite a find! Look forward to seeing, next we meet.

As you aptly say... its a tear jerker :crybaby:

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Posted 10 July 2010 - 09:08 AM

I saw the glimmer and thought I'd take a closer look, and realized the flat/plain anchor flukes rang a bell...then compared to the reference forum. Seller never had the eagle, I asked. Hopefully this isn't the closest I ever get to a full jeweler piece!

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Posted 15 August 2010 - 05:51 PM

A seller on E-bay "wappocut" has been duping people for a long time, to the tune of $7,154 just on modern made Marine shako and helmet insignia. It isn't "Bannermann's surplus purchased in the 1940's" as he states, it is made yesterday junk that has been pissed on for age. The dies have been in private hands for decades. The seller even states that he cant prove any sort of age, yet people drop as much as $500 on a single piece.

Some will try to stick up for this seller stating that people are willing to pay these prices for a filler in their collection as real ones are unobtainable or valued in the thousands. Every one of the Marine pieces he sells can be found on E-bay for about $10-40 through regular auction from time to time. This seller sells on spur of the moment "but it nows" and lists them under "original period items".

It is truly unbelievable that this has gone on for so long. He shows two poor feedbacks over Marine insignia, one states that the insignia is modern made. The sales average about $250 per auction. I hope someone will see this thread and think twice about wasting their money.

He also sells a lot of Indian Scout insignia, and Confederate ship "boxes". He only seems to do one auction at a time, so not to draw suspicion.

If you are collector who wants to pay $250-500 for a fake filler that can be had much cheaper if you wait, go right ahead and give your money the proverbial "flush", if you are newbie and think you are getting a rare vintage item, just know that there are only handfuls of originals and this guy doesnt have them.

Here is a list of his Marine sales since 2007, all listed as "period originals":

Lot of three Insignias Marine Models 1852 1855 & 1882 (#170490867919) US $225.00
Pre Civil War 1858 2 piece Marine Corp Shako plate (#170484464175) US $195.00
Marine Corp Model 1804 Tar Bucket helmet Insignia (#170481385426) US $275.00
(3) Pre/Post Civil War Marine Corp Insignias 1852-1890 (#170461574953) US $365.00
Civil War Marine Corp 1852 leather Shako Helmet Plate (#170447629684) US $257.00
Civil War US Marine Corp 2 piece Shako NCO Helmet Plate (#170438431993) US $246.00
Civil War Marine Corp 1852 leather Shako Helmet Plate (#170435154719) US $285.00
Civil War US Marine Corp 2 piece Shako Helmet Plate (#170435145680) US $285.00
Marine Corp Model 1892 Cork helmet plate (#170430392608) US $85.00
Marine Corp Model 1892 Cork helmet plate (#170417737554) US $75.00
Two Marine Corp Model 1892 Cork helmet plates (2) (#170394382279) US $135.00
Rare lot of Marine Corp Insignias 1852-1892 (4) (#170367146141) US $365.00
Civil War Model 1859 Marine Corp Shako Insignia (#170355583654) US $127.50
Civil War Model 1852 Marine Eagle and Anchor Insignia (#170349443248) US $155.00
Civil War Model 1859 Marine Kepi Insignia (#180368615962) US $295.00
US Marine Corp Insignia Collection 1875-1882 (3 items) (#180351649876) US $361.89
Indian Wars 1880's Marine Corp Cork helmet plate insign (#170322858459) US $165.00
Indian Wars 1880's Marine Corp Cork helmet plate insign (#180336972336) US $125.00
Civil War U S Marine Corp Officer's Hat Device (#170309288458) US $425.00
Pre Civil War Model 1854 Marine Corp Shako Frontplate (#170300801874) US $235.00
Pre Civil War Model 1859 Marine Corp Shako Plate NCO (#170297887879) US $295.00
Marine Corp Insignia Collection 1820- 1918 (7) items (#170283457579) US $198.00
Span/ Amer War model 1890 Marine Cork Helet plate (#170278626335) US $125.00
Indian War Model 1872 Marine Corp Shako Plate (#170275879387) US $265.00
US Marine Corp Leather Helmet plate insignia model 1820 (#170242651001) US $525.00
Model 1890 Marine Cork Helmet Plate Indian Wars (#170239054634) US $85.00
Civil War Marine Corp 2 piece shako helmet plate insign (#170242651169) US $365.00
Early Civil War two piece Marine shako plate insignia (#170187704093) US $125.00
Orig Span Am War Marine cork helmet plate (#170074338854) US $115.00
Orig Span Am War Marine cork helmet plate (#170060719669) US $115.00
Orig Span Am War Marine cork helmet plate (#170050672909) US $115.00
Orig Span Am War Marine cork helmet plate (#170033440936) US $145.00

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Posted 15 August 2010 - 05:59 PM

looks like you've been watching for a long time. thanks for the heads up, I noticed him in passing but never paid him much heed nor associated him with this mass con

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 08:21 AM

Here you go, four of the rarest Marine insignia known. Two of these insignia aren't even in the Marine museum's collection. He only has sold about 100 of each one. How do you like the odds of this guy having 100 each of the rarest insignia known to Marine collectors? Here you can have all in one buy!!!!! What a crock of crap.

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