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#26 camopara

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Posted 06 January 2007 - 11:27 AM

Luke, interesting, I've never heard that about M41 jackets before. I have one with the lining sewn into a M43 jacket and thought it was soldier done. I'll see if I can take some pictures a little later.

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Posted 06 January 2007 - 11:59 AM

I checked the liner and there are no blanket labels on it. The flag may be silk. It also is somewhat coarse like gauze.

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Posted 06 January 2007 - 12:18 PM

I finally got out to take some pictures in between all the snow drifts. Here is mine with the M41 liner sewn to the inside. Unfortunately the label is washed out so I cannot verify the PQD number. The liner appears to be sewn in by hand, but in a rather complex type of chain stitch. It is just the wool from the M41 and the zipper remains in place.

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Posted 06 January 2007 - 12:43 PM

I think your jacket is a PDQ 370-C (11 november, 1943). It has "Khaki" lining, flat breast pockets, full loop for suspending it when not worn.

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Posted 06 January 2007 - 01:08 PM

So the addtional M41 lining would have been soldier done?

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Posted 06 January 2007 - 01:11 PM

In every case not factory done. I think it's soldier done.

...wearer had either a rigger or a Dutch housefrau make the liner.


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Posted 08 January 2007 - 01:34 PM

Nice jacket, and whilst I don't doubt the jacket, the armflag apears to be one of the ones made at the end of the war as homecoming flags. They are often seen being sold as "original Airborne" flags, sometimes still with the markings of where the staples were that used to attach it to the little pole, and whilst being roughly the same size as an Airborne gauze armflag, they aren't the same thing.

You quite often see uniforms that Airborne veterans have worn in parades post-war with these flags added, by the veteran, to make it more like the jacket they wore in Normandy/Holland/wherever.
 

 

 

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 02:05 PM

What do you guys think of these? I am going through my stuff and I never was sure on these M43's. The material is very similar to the M43 jacket. They have the brown buttons with HBT inside pockets. The only markings are the size and iron on instructions. I have always been on the fence as to them being pre 45 or not.

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 02:05 PM

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 02:05 PM

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 02:09 PM

Are you sure there's no label sewn behind the right hand pocket on the lining? I have exactly the same type, but with the additional QM Label. Some of these were even made with 13-star metal buttons.

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 03:35 PM

Isnít that something? I have had these for 20yrs and have looked at them 100 times and never seen the tag. I just flipped them inside out and the tag was placed on the inner pocket between the fob pocket and the front pocket so I never saw it. The QM tag is dated Feb. 1945.

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Posted 19 January 2007 - 02:50 PM

Here you go.

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 07:07 AM

These are FEB, 1944. Made same as M37 wool trousers minus the gas flap, they are made over size as they are meant to be worn over wool trousers.

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 01:27 PM

Just a couple more pairs of M43s to add to this post

First is a pair of unissued trousers with HBT lining and HBT style 13 star buttons, followed by the "regular" ones with plastic buttons and white cotton pockets and waist band lining. The unissued pair has the extra suspender buttons on the outside and lack the cuff tab and adjustment button, where the "regular" pair have plastic buttons on the inside for suspenders and do have the cuff tabs/button. Also included is a side by side color comparision-although the pair with the plastic buttons have been washed, so they are faded- the size tag is washed out.

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#41 Russell 1910

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 01:30 PM

Side by side...


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Posted 21 January 2007 - 03:25 AM

Here is my M43 jacket, the QM label is gone but as one can see it has the early OD#4 lining.



Size stamp..


... the jacket "in wear". The helmet is a postwar repainted fixbale, which is already replaced by an unmessed M1 swivelbale helmet with Westinghouse liner.

 

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Posted 21 January 2007 - 03:33 AM

Here another example of M43 trousers with 13 star buttons:



Mint trousers, with 13 star buttons..


....the buttons...


...how-to-use label...



....cutter tag...



...The QM tag

 

 

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Posted 25 January 2007 - 05:45 PM

Heres an M43 field jacket I picked up years ago in a thrift store. Now, I did say thrift store, so it cost me $10.00 in 1995 more or less. Sometimes you get lucky!http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v17/louie217/Picture_100.jpg

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 10:21 AM

I picked this up off ebay this week, near mint condition, for $20. It's got the HBT lining over the pile which makes it 1950, not WW2, vintage so not as rare as some of these but any of these in this condition is a good find. This version of the pile field jacket was worn under the M1943/M1950 field jackets and under the early fish tail parkas.

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Posted 04 May 2007 - 03:50 PM

This is in responce to greg Robinson's M43 / MQ1 posted earlier:

If memory serves me correctly, your M1943 has been upgraded to M1950. There was a short-lived liner similar to the M1951 which buttoned in. The two (jacket and liner) were superseded by the M1951.

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Posted 04 May 2007 - 05:22 PM

Yeah, there was an M1950 field jacket manufactured starting in late 1950 and made through the Spring of 1951 when it was replaced by the M1951. Early M1950's had the liner buttons but there didn't actually exist a liner for it until early in 1951 when they adopted the M1950 jacket liner which is similar, but not identical to, the M1951 liner. But prior to the M1950 the Army produced these MQ-1's which were nothing more than an M1943 with liner buttons for a liner that was not yet in existence. So, the MQ1 and M1950 are essentially the same garment.

For a while, existing M1943's were upgraded to M1950 specs due to the need for a warmer field jacket in Korea.

A similar situation existed with the WW2 pile field cap. They modified the spec and called it the MQ 1 then later standarized it as the M1951.

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Posted 04 May 2007 - 05:30 PM

The M1950 field jacket liner. All I've seen are contract dated in the Spring of 1951 so I assume the production period was short since the M1951 came out around this time.

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Posted 28 May 2007 - 12:26 PM

Interesting to note that the Rayon lined m43 pile liner was made from march 1944.

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Posted 28 May 2007 - 12:30 PM

Here is a nice named M43.

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