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#76 Proud Kraut

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 11:19 AM

Hi Lars!

I found two more patches where I supposes there could be German made as well.
I'am almost sure with the 11th Abn. but please take a look.

All the best !

Mike


Mike, there has been some discussion about this patch. It looks like German made, but when made? The 11th Abn Div served in Germany 1956-1958. It returned to the states then and was reactivated for a brief time in the 1960's (Air Assault test). German-Patch-Hunter, who knows much more about German mades than me, believes it to be a repro. I'm unsure about this, because it would be the only InfDiv repro on wool, I know of... :think:

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 11:39 AM

Hi

I don't know maybe maybe not?
What makes me a litle bit doubting about a repro is the fact that I got this patch from a good buddy who had this since 25+ years in his owen collection?
Lets hear some other opinions!?
BTW. you have a outstanding patch collection!!

Regards

Mike

Edited by Mike Force, 04 September 2009 - 11:42 AM.


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Posted 04 September 2009 - 12:25 PM

Mike, thanks for you compliment! I have no clue where the Ranger tab was made even if it is an original. Maybe others can help out....

For all of those, who wants to know if their patches are German mades, I would like to post some of my patches for comparison.

A - the Average basket weave

These patches look like standard U.S. cut edge patches at the first glance.

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 12:26 PM

Close up.

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 12:28 PM

If you examine the structure of the backing thread you notice the "crossing" of the so called "basket weave" thread.

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 12:29 PM

Close up, notice the "dots" between the white threads.

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 12:32 PM

More examples, different 1st ID variants demonstrate, that these techniques were used by different manufactures.

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 12:32 PM

Backs.

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 12:35 PM

B - BIG basket weave....

These patches are difficult to differentiate from U.S. SSI.

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 12:36 PM

They seem to have a more "open" backing thread structure.

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 12:40 PM

C - "Corned" surface, Colorfull backs...

These patches appear to have a rough surface.

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 12:40 PM

Close up.

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 12:42 PM

Note the different colors of the backing thread.

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 12:43 PM

Crossed weaving, dots between threads.

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 12:45 PM

Some more examples, note how the backing material seem to "shimmer through" the front colors of the patches.

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 12:46 PM

Backs.

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 12:48 PM

D - diagonal weaving.

Weaving structure of the patches seems to run diagonaly.

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 12:49 PM

Close up.

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 12:50 PM

Sometimes the white backing thread seems to look gray or silver.

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 12:56 PM

Another close up. Now you have some examples to compare with. A,B,C or D; if your patch shows some of these characteristics there is a chance that it is a German made. Finally German basket weave patches appear to be "thiner" than the more stiff (unused) U.S. mades. However, experiance is the key... happy hunting!!! ;)

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 04:59 PM

Another close up. Now you have some examples to compare with. A,B,C or D; if your patch shows some of these characteristics there is a chance that it is a German made. Finally German basket weave patches appear to be "thiner" than the more stiff (unused) U.S. mades. However, experiance is the key... happy hunting!!! ;)

Lars


Hi Lars

Thanks excellent explanation , description you have nailed it for me please reveiw the following

close up of obverse 9th ID ,95th ID smaller than normal

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 04:59 PM

Hi Lars

Thanks excellent explanation , description you have nailed it for me please reveiw the following

close up of obverse 9th ID ,95th ID smaller than normal



Reverse close up

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 05:00 PM

Reverse close up

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 05:03 PM

8th Corp obverse this has purple medium

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 05:03 PM

8th Corp obverse this has purple medium

close up reverse

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