FriscoHare Posted March 30, 2009 Share #1 Posted March 30, 2009 Hello again, I would like to purchase this Bomb Disposal Patch with white border around the bomb, but before I do, I want to consult with my fellow forum members. Offer price: $12.50. To buy or not to buy? And is it genuine WWII? Please let me know. Thanks in advance. ~Rabbit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Kraut Posted March 30, 2009 Share #2 Posted March 30, 2009 Your patch looks good to me. Don't know if it is a WW II or an early 1950's patch (because of the black edge/basic material) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamski Posted March 30, 2009 Share #3 Posted March 30, 2009 It's WWII. I have the exact same white lined version in the Patch King Album.... -Ski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FriscoHare Posted March 31, 2009 Author Share #4 Posted March 31, 2009 Thanks Lars and Ski, I think I will buy it. ~Rabbit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steverino Posted March 31, 2009 Share #5 Posted March 31, 2009 Thanks Lars and Ski, I think I will buy it.~Rabbit As you probably know, there are two versions of the Bomb Disposal patch. One, with a white outline around the red bomb and another with a yellow line around the bomb. I have heard, but have no positive proof for, that the white outline (like the one you are about to buy) is for Engineers and the gold border is for Ordnance personnel. Both branches would be involved with Bomb/Ordnance disposal. If any member can shed positive knowledge about the two color versions, please post it for everyone. Thanks. Patch Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoon Posted March 31, 2009 Share #6 Posted March 31, 2009 White outline for Engineers. I don't think so. In the US Army only trained bomb disposal personnell belonging to the Ordnance Department used this badge. I only know the bomb with the yellow outline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamski Posted March 31, 2009 Share #7 Posted March 31, 2009 Very interesting theory! -Ski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steverino Posted March 31, 2009 Share #8 Posted March 31, 2009 Very interesting theory! -Ski As I said, I have no proof of anything regarding the two color variations. I reported what I have heard. If only ordnance types wore the Bomb Disposal patch, where did the red and white version come from? They don't use arbitrary colors for patches, and far too many red and white versions were made to call them errors in the manufacturing process. That is why I am asking for PROOF of who wore what and when. The patch design has been around for a long time. Thanks for the opinions. Patch Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamski Posted March 31, 2009 Share #9 Posted March 31, 2009 As I said, I have no proof of anything regarding the two color variations. I reported what I have heard. If only ordnance types wore the Bomb Disposal patch, where did the red and white version come from? They don't use arbitrary colors for patches, and far too many red and white versions were made to call them errors in the manufacturing process. That is why I am asking for PROOF of who wore what and when. The patch design has been around for a long time. Thanks for the opinions. Patch Johnson Sorry if I was coming off sarcastic. I really meant that that was an interesting theory. I would of never thought of it myself. I just thought it was a variation. -Ski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steverino Posted April 1, 2009 Share #10 Posted April 1, 2009 Sorry if I was coming off sarcastic. I really meant that that was an interesting theory. I would of never thought of it myself. I just thought it was a variation. -Ski Ski, I wasn't addressing you specifically. I wasn't doubting the gentleman who flatly stated that only Ordnance personnel were used for bomb disposal. That could well be 100% accurate. I am in no position to doubt him. My question now, as it was in the beginning, goes back to proof - not opinions. Why are there two color variations? The stories that I heard saying that both Engineer and Ordnance personnel were used in that duty made sense with both color types. If that is not the case, then why the two colors? I am still hopeful that someone in the USMF audience can provide all of us with definitive answers. Patch Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tredhed2 Posted April 1, 2009 Share #11 Posted April 1, 2009 White outline for Engineers. I don't think so. In the US Army only trained bomb disposal personnell belonging to the Ordnance Department used this badge. I only know the bomb with the yellow outline. It's true that bomb disposal personnel were trained by the Ordnance Branch at Aberdeen Proving Ground during WW II. Most of the students were in fact scheduled to be assigned to the Army Ground Forces for bomb disposal duties following successful completion of the course. In The History of IX Engineer Command (Army Air Force), it discusses several of its Engr Ordnance Bomb Disposal Squads - units ( 7 men each**) that removed or destroyed hundreds of tons of bombs, mines, and booby traps from airfield sites. Even though they performed ordnance duties, they were assigned to the Engineers branch. In the US Army, the Engineers (red and white colors) were a branch separate from Ordnance (red and yellow colors) and it would be possible that men assigned to these units wore the patch w/ the white outline. However, with other SSIs being made for units that did not exist (GHQ armor patch), ghost/phantom units, or other error (XVIII Armor Corps), we may never know why the patches with the white outlines around the bombs were made. ** all the bomb disposal units whether AGF or AAF were this size after it was determined that companies were too large to perform these duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steverino Posted April 1, 2009 Share #12 Posted April 1, 2009 OK, we're getting closer to evidence. How about this? Without resorting to any "creativity," does anyone out there have uniforms with bomb disposal patches on them? Patch Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PATCHRAT Posted April 2, 2009 Share #13 Posted April 2, 2009 I dont have refrence books with me but I thought this patch was actually on a brassard or was it LATER worn on a Brassard? found it. REF AR 670-1 (5) Explosive ordnance disposal brassard. The brassard consists of a black projectile shape pointed downward, bearing a red conventional drop bomb fringed in yellow, on a dark-blue background. Explosive ordnance disposal personnel wear the brassard while performing disposal activities (see fig 28-158 ). Figure 28-158. Brassard, explosive ordnance disposal cant seem to get the pic to load with the text. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normaninvasion Posted April 2, 2009 Share #14 Posted April 2, 2009 Don't know if this helps, In Chris Brown's book, he says the patch was worn by both training and operational units. Worn on the poket of the shirt and lower sleave of coat. White outline is harder to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Andrews Posted April 3, 2009 Share #15 Posted April 3, 2009 BTW maybe not during WWII, but even CHEMICAL CORPS personnel went to EOD school, in the 1950s and 1960s. I know this because I worked with a Chemical LTC in VN who wore the EOD badge and I asked him about it. According to him, a few Chem lieutenants had been sent in bygone days to the EOD course each year -- six or so -- and they even could command EOD ORDNANCE Dets. He had commanded one in Korea in the early 1960s and he showed my a photo of him wearing a locally embroidered EOD badge done in yellow thread on blue background! In the picture he wore a Chemical Corps blue neckerchief and the two or three other Det members wore Ordnance crimson ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
all-bull Posted December 13, 2010 Share #16 Posted December 13, 2010 Here is a picture of one in use in Vietnam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
all-bull Posted December 13, 2010 Share #17 Posted December 13, 2010 close-up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchcollector Posted December 13, 2010 Share #18 Posted December 13, 2010 Hmm,interesting thread :twothumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonm Posted January 8, 2019 Share #19 Posted January 8, 2019 Found this thread today. The white outline is listed in this book as Bomb Disposal School. Could that be the difference from BD Personnel (yellow outline) vs BD School (white outline) in Aberdeen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonm Posted January 8, 2019 Share #20 Posted January 8, 2019 http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=attach§ion=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=137180 Forgot to add the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILL THE PATCH Posted January 8, 2019 Share #21 Posted January 8, 2019 Never noticed that before, I have one of those patch books. And I know there's a white outline bomb patch in it. I'll have to look and see if it says school. That's a good question I wonder if there is a difference. I'm sure there would be documentation if there was. Sent from my Moto G (5) Plus using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumpin Jack Posted January 8, 2019 Share #22 Posted January 8, 2019 I have two WWII uniform items, one a complete 8th AAF Ordnance Officer uniform with EOD patch on lower right sleeve with yellow border, and a named Army officer's short overcoat with same EOD on lower right sleeve. The latter served with the 22nd Corps. I've never encountered one with a white border. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airborne-Hunter Posted January 8, 2019 Share #23 Posted January 8, 2019 The national EOD Association put together an article about the patches within the last few years. They talk about the white being for aviation engineers and the yellow for others. I would tend to defer to them and highly recommend reading the piece below. Best ABNhttps://www.nateoda.com/pdf_files/EODBadgesShoulderSleeveInsignia.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearmon Posted January 23, 2019 Share #24 Posted January 23, 2019 The national EOD Association put together an article about the patches within the last few years. They talk about the white being for aviation engineers and the yellow for others. I would tend to defer to them and highly recommend reading the piece below. Best ABN https://www.nateoda.com/pdf_files/EODBadgesShoulderSleeveInsignia.pdf Great article thanks for posting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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