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#1 artu44

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 02:18 AM

I've found this nice (and expensive) manual for never-heard-before sniper scopes. First M1908, second M1913. They looks like science fiction pieces for that era.

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#2 Charlie Flick

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 06:53 AM

Artu:

Yes, that was the Warner Swasey scope, in two versions. It was the USA's answer for the telescopic sight in WW1 but was not very successful.

I know that you like belt accoutrements, as I do. Note that this scope was carried in leather case. In earlier versions it had a shoulder strap but the later versions had a M1910 hook so it could be carried on the rifle cartridge belt. It also contained a wrench for the scope.

The manual is a scarce item and very desirable for those with the scope and M1903 Rifle combination.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 10:12 AM

Casually in these days they are selling a '03 complete with an M1913 scope and accessories (4,599$). Look at

http://www.gunbroker...?Item=125330648

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 10:36 AM

Also canadians adopted this scope on the Ross rifle

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:59 AM

Here's the rifle and scope from my collection.
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Posted 28 March 2009 - 12:01 PM

Some of the WW1 sniper rifles were also equiped with the M1910 Maxim Silencer.MVC_005S.JPG
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Posted 28 March 2009 - 12:02 PM

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 12:03 PM

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 12:29 PM

These are great photos. I read somewhere each pre-WW1 US infantry company was supposed to have two Maxim silencers--whether these rifles also had Warner & Swazey scopes I don't know. One contemporary account said the problem with the silencer was that the supersonic rifle bullet still made too much noise. The example they gave was that it a silenced rifle was fired down a railway line, there would be a CRACK!-CRACK!-CRACK!-CRACK!-CRACK! as the bullet passed each telegraph pole.

While consulting LTC Wm S. Brophy's THE SPRINGFIELD M1903 RIFLES to insure the correct spelling of 'Swazey' I found the following on page 491:

"Ordnance Department Manual No. 1957 titled 'Description of Telescope Musket Sights Models of 1908 amd 1913' printed by the Government Printing Office in 1917 is the best reference for detailed informaiton about these telescopes. Therefore, it is reproduced here in it's entirity."
--and the text and illustrations from the manual follows.

Arturo, is this the same manual as yours? *laff* I can't read the fine print on the cover of yours because of my small monitor.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 10:46 PM

Robin, I just was wondering if you had this piece in your collection. A stupid think indeed.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 10:54 PM

Hey Bib, you are eally a scrooge man. Today an LCD 19" monitor is affordable even to a poor retired man. Yes, my manual is the one.

N.1957
December 14, 1908
Revised july 22, 1912
Revised november 18, 1915


Washington
Government Printing Office
1917

Hope next time you wouldn't need magnification.

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 01:49 AM

I've found this nice (and expensive) manual for never-heard-before sniper scopes. First M1908, second M1913. They looks like science fiction pieces for that era.


Great manual and love the pics of the rifle and scope. Both very rare indeed.

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 11:01 AM

Robin, I just was wondering if you had this piece in your collection. A stupid think indeed.


Artu, yes, the rifle is from my collection.

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 12:43 PM

Artu, yes, the rifle is from my collection.


Robin, you have everything!!


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