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#1 teufelhunde.ret

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Posted 02 March 2009 - 08:54 AM

Is this the insignia used for Marine PFC's prior to WW1...? Many thanks! s/f Darrell

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#2 Mark M

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Posted 02 March 2009 - 09:00 AM

Is this the insignia used for Marine PFC's prior to WW1...? Many thanks! s/f Darrell


Darrell

Correct! These were worn in pairs, your version for the blues, in green/red for the alphas. I would suppose they were also worn on the tan uniform but I have never actually seen a set.

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Posted 02 March 2009 - 09:08 AM

As mark said, it sure is! They do exist in tan with green rifles, I know I've seen a pair for sale somewhere recently....hmmmm.

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Posted 02 March 2009 - 12:59 PM

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Here's one I have in red / green for class A

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Posted 02 March 2009 - 01:32 PM

As mark said, it sure is! They do exist in tan with green rifles, I know I've seen a pair for sale somewhere recently....hmmmm.


Seems to me I remember someone having a choice set of blues with a set of those PFC patches sewn on! http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/jeal0001.gif

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Posted 02 March 2009 - 07:50 PM

Guys,

These were actually instituted in late 1918 and only used for a short time. So technically, they are WW1 and just after.

Best wishes!

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Posted 03 March 2009 - 02:47 AM

Chris is correct. I've had a couple of documented WWI 5th Marine Brigade uniforms with these chevrons sewn on both sleeves. If there was a patch on the upper left sleeve the PFC chevron would be sewn below it. I've seen them only on uniforms dated from 1918-1920.

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Posted 03 March 2009 - 04:43 AM

Does anyone have any pictures of a marine wearing these?



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Posted 03 March 2009 - 07:13 AM

Does anyone have any pictures of a marine wearing these?
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Posted 03 March 2009 - 08:28 AM

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Posted 03 March 2009 - 08:33 AM

Thanks for the Picture. It helps.


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Posted 04 March 2009 - 04:57 AM

Got to thinking about this chevron and having seen a set a blues here at some point... found it, picture is from the collection of BOBGEE, posted here:

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Posted 16 March 2009 - 02:10 PM

Better late than never, here is a kahki set.

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Posted 16 March 2009 - 02:32 PM

Thanks John !




I appreciate your posting that kahki one.


I learn so much from you guys. Man I love this Forum.


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Posted 17 March 2009 - 07:03 AM

Here are the three color variations I have. According to John Stacey's book, "U.S. Navy Marks(And Others) On Marine Uniforms", the rifles on the khaki version were originally brown. Subsequent to WW1, the rifles were changed from brown to green. John Stacey also states that this Private, First Class insignia was replaced in 1926 by a single chevron worn on both sleeves.

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Posted 17 March 2009 - 08:09 AM

Back in 1959 when the USMC introduced its new and still current rank system, I did not understand why they used crossed rifles in the insignia. When I learned many years later that this was the insignia of a P.F.C. way back when, it became clear that it obviously was a heraldic decision to incorporate the old rank.
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 12:10 PM

Back in 1959 when the USMC introduced its new and still current rank system, I did not understand why they used crossed rifles in the insignia. When I learned many years later that this was the insignia of a P.F.C. way back when, it became clear that it obviously was a heraldic decision to incorporate the old rank.
Semper Fi......Bobgee


I didn't even think about that until now, but it is quite fitting and very cool.

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Posted 17 March 2009 - 03:34 PM

Thanks to Fritz, I had no chance to research them and did not know they were from two different periods.

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 06:25 AM

... it obviously was a heraldic decision to incorporate the old rank.
Semper Fi......Bobgee

and would add, the other enlisted chevrons of today also carry the symbols of past / earliest era's


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