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#1 Lt.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 09:49 AM

i have heard about the USMC and the army are replacing the m16 and m4. anybody they know what will replace them?

#2 hawkdriver

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 10:04 AM

Once this stimulus package rapes the country of every dime we have, the military will be lucky to have two sticks to rub together.
There has been a lot of talk, but nothing is in the near future.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 10:08 AM

I believe it is still in the RFP/RFQ process.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 10:19 AM

I've heard some rumblings and some interesting possibilities, but as said, I think they're just at the RFP stage.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 04:34 PM

I hope they bring back the M14 as issue rifle. I like the platform. But I'm sure the M16 replacment will be some high tech small bore rifle.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 05:45 PM

I hope they bring back the M14 as issue rifle. I like the platform. But I'm sure the M16 replacment will be some high tech small bore rifle.


Depending on how you look at it, the M14 could be considered brought back in a lot of different variants (mainly stock/optics differences) as a designated marksman's rifle.

----edit. I just noticed you said "issue rifle" DOH! http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/pinch.gif :lol:---

Edited by YankeeDiv26, 21 February 2009 - 05:46 PM.


#7 J_Andrews

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 08:40 PM

The M-14 already is back. In Iraq and Afghanistan, without telescopic sights, it is commonly issed at the rate of one per squad or section, to a Designated Marksman, usually the best shooter. An M-14 aficionado told me that M-14s are again being MADE, for DOD, by the commercial Springfileld Armory firm......

The Army (lead agency for DOD on small arms) is fooling around with UPDATED M-16/M-4 STYLE rifles. The major variances are in caliber/cartridge (slightly bigger bore and weight) and gas system. The contenders all lok a lot alike and from 20 or 50 meters distance you might not see any difference.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 08:49 PM

i have heard about the USMC and the army are replacing the m16 and m4. anybody they know what will replace them?


AK-47's and RPG's - "So Simple Even a Child Can Use Them."

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 09:24 PM

AK-47's and RPG's - "So Simple Even a Child Can Use Them."


I had to laugh at this one....is that a jab at the Marine Corps? ;)

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 09:34 PM

I had to laugh at this one....is that a jab at the Marine Corps? ;)

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No it's a jab at the tendency of US designers (working under government requirements) to make everything more complicated than it needs to be. I'm sure the next weapon will have an LCD screen, camera and flexible barrel to shoot around corners, web access, MP3 player, GPS guided laser aiming, biodegradable components and use "green" ammo.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 10:03 PM

Next rifle fielded will probably not be .223 like the M-16 family. There's a lot of interest in 6.8mm as the new caliber.

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 10:21 AM

I'd be really surprised if we see any major changes in the M16/M4 platform anytime in the near future. I seriously doubt that the current administration will spend anymore money on the military then is absolutely necessary. http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/crying.gif

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 10:41 AM

Not to mention how the assault rifle ban will effect the Military :rolleyes:

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 10:58 AM

Next rifle fielded will probably not be .223 like the M-16 family. There's a lot of interest in 6.8mm as the new caliber.


Isn't there a lot of talk about the Barret M468? IMO That's a good weapon...it's based on the familiar M16 system but it uses 6.8 mm ammunition.

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 12:36 PM

Probably HK-417. Special Forces started to use it now.

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 12:42 PM

Probably HK-417. Special Forces started to use it now.


I doubt it, it was looked at before and didn't take. Also, SF use of things can be the kiss of death for it in the big green machine. Another point, HK would have to tool up here in the states and they wouldn't do it before, doubt in our economy that they will do it now. HK also doesn't like having to live under our contracting rules, so I wouldn't bet on the HK.

#17 Bob Hudson

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 02:23 PM

HK also doesn't like having to live under our contracting rules, so I wouldn't bet on the HK.


Good point. When I worked for a Congressman I often got calls from people wanting to know about getting government contracts. I'd tell them, "Are you making a profit now? If so, you don't want to get involved with doing business with the government."


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