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#1 STALAGLUFT1

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 06:38 PM

Is this original WWII period or post?
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Posted 11 February 2009 - 07:17 PM

I'd say it was wartime, British made. THe pin correlates with British-style pins of the period.

They are not, however Glider Pilot wings. They're Glider/Airborne wings, commonly referred to as "Paraglider" wings, since they have both the parachute and the glider on them instead of one or the other.

Very nice piece!

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 08:21 PM

Sadly, I think that these are cast reproductions. We have some very well respected airborne collectors on this forum, who will and can tell you more than you thought possible about these badges.

Still, I think that these are cast badges, and likely reproductions.

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 08:45 PM

IMO, I think these are fake. The back are rough and I don't like the round edges on the back and also the catch. Check out this link and make a judgement for yourself.
http://www.parachuti...jump-wings.html

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#5 Cobrahistorian

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 06:10 AM

Wow, I feel like a tool.

Always good to learn something new!

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 07:14 AM

Hey don't feel bad. You are correct, the pin assembly is the type typically associated with Commonwealth (England, Australia, India) manufacture. Also, it is also very hard to know for sure from a picture on the computer. Still, to me, it looks like a cast wing, and that is almost always a bad sign.

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#7 STALAGLUFT1

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 12:09 PM

Thanks for all of the help.
Regards,
Brian

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 12:13 PM

Did the British mark badges Sterling?

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 12:20 PM

The are FAKE not because of construction but because the originals were made in JAPAN. These wings were a local creation within the 11th Airborne Division, made and worn on Occupation duty, 1946-1948. Thereafter, tehy may have been worn by troops who carried them on from service in Japan, BUT| why oh why would they have been made in BRITAIN?

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 12:24 PM

Does anybody have a no BS original to compare?

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#11 pfrost

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 12:32 PM

Does anybody have a no BS original to compare?

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I believe that the British had very strict standards about what could and could not be marked Sterling.

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 06:14 PM

I did wonder about the origins, considering that particular badge is associated with the 11th Airborne which was in the Pacific.

Not feelin bad about the mis-ID, just frustrated. Been doing this a while and I figured I knew better. It really has gotten to the point where without provenance, EVERYTHING is a repro.

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 06:20 PM

Does anybody have a no BS original to compare?

-Ski

Here is one. It was used during the occupation of Japan.

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 06:44 PM

Can we see the reverse of those wings?

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 06:51 PM

Can we see the reverse of those wings?


I can post one this weekend. I just had these pics on my computer. I will post the patch that is on the other sleeve.

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 08:23 PM

I too feel that this is a Para Glider wing copy that has the rear British style pin back. I have never come across what I felt was an orignal WW2 or occupation period British made Para Glider wing. Here is the only Japanese made occupation period Para Glider wing that I have ever come across. This wing thas the chrome like or maybe rodium plating over brass that you see on Sendai paratrooper wings.

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#17 Tonomachi

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 08:26 PM

Here is one. It was used during the occupation of Japan.


This senior grade Para Glider wing is similar to the one on this oval but it is marked STERLING. The Japanese made occupation period paratrooper wings that I have come across are usually marked SILVER instead of STERLING.

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 08:30 PM

This is probably one of the earliest US made Para Glider wings hallmarked STERLING GEMSCO.

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 08:33 PM

These next two Para Glider wings are similar to the STERLING GEMSCO wing but made afterwards as the clutch back one is hallmarked GEMSCO N.Y. I could use an opinion on these if they are copies or original.

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 08:37 PM

This is a master grade Para Glider wing that is hallmarked N.S. MEYERS NEW YORK with their shield but is clutch back. I once lost out on a pin back version of this wing that looked real. Any opinions on this wing.

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 08:40 PM

Lastly I have a fake cast piece. This was one of my first pieces that I bought maybe 15 to 20 years ago. I thought it was real but learned otherwise a number of years afterwards. This is one of the ways you learn by getting ripped off every now and then.

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Posted 13 February 2009 - 05:48 AM

My concern on the above badges, that are claimed to be Japanese made, have the typical US made roller clasp. I have a collection of Japanese made occupation wings, and all have the typical C hook clasp with a straight pin, not the Aussie/British style pin.

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Posted 13 February 2009 - 08:59 AM

The following images were copied off of eBay over the years. This Para Glider wing is I feel another Japanese made occupation period piece with the typical "C" pin catch.

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Posted 13 February 2009 - 09:03 AM

Here is a pin back Para Glider wing made by N.S. Meyers which is similar to the one that I was a little slow in making up my mind about to buy when someone else bought it.

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Posted 13 February 2009 - 09:08 AM

This looks like a British made numbered Para Glider wing on a uniform that sold on eBay.

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