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#26 Pathfinder82

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 11:22 AM

In my opinion there are many questionable items listed on his website.

1. Another one of those fake type 8 eagle patches. http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbdown.gif :blink:

2. Birmingham Jump Wings with the square manufacturers name plate attached. http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbdown.gif

Those two plus the prices are enough to make me say, NO THANKS!

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 01:04 PM

In my opinion there are many questionable items listed on his website.

1. Another one of those fake type 8 eagle patches. http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbdown.gif :blink:

2. Birmingham Jump Wings with the square manufacturers name plate attached. http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbdown.gif

Those two plus the prices are enough to make me say, NO THANKS!


I would agree wholeheartedly with you.

We have many genuiene 'experts' on this Forum, including several Moderators and extremely knowledgable posters - what do you think about the current Type 8 being offered for $695 (going rate is at least $1,500) as well as the 506th Pocket patch, that I have been told, is one of the fine repros offered by At the Front. I have the very same patch (from what I can discern from the pictures) that I purchased from ATF.

There is another Type 8 just like this being offered on Ebay. Two of the same Types 8s that long time AB collectors have told me they have never seen, coupled with the fact that no Type 8 has gauze on the back of it??

Allan Henderson has 'scary' (compliment :) ) knowledge when it comes to 101st patches. I would love to know what he thinks. Same for Jake Powers and Kurt B. Gentlemen - can you weigh in on this?

As many have noted the excessive prices on many items, is it not odd that the Type 8 is well below what the current price for these highly sought after patches are?

Look forward to everyone's responses.

Edited by currahee506, 12 May 2009 - 01:05 PM.


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Posted 12 May 2009 - 04:35 PM

For some odd reason, people who are 'in the know' about these things don't speak up. I really don't understand.

Some people will absolutely get torched for selling questionable items, whether they did it on purpose or not - and others simply seem to have a 'free pass' in the collecting community. So be it I guess.

I guess my final advice to 'new' Airborne collectors is do your homework.

Rich

Edited by currahee506, 12 May 2009 - 04:37 PM.


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Posted 12 May 2009 - 05:32 PM

In reference to the 506 ssi. I compaired ATF and the Screaming Eagle one, shown on the sites. They are very diffirent. As I am no expert, esp with 506s, imho, SEs has cotton snow of a typical 40s/50s era ssi, which the ATF has a total lack of, the detail as well as material used add to the contrasts. Can't comment on the type 8 http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/think.gif

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 05:32 PM

For some odd reason, people who are 'in the know' about these things don't speak up. I really don't understand.

Some people will absolutely get torched for selling questionable items, whether they did it on purpose or not - and others simply seem to have a 'free pass' in the collecting community. So be it I guess.

I guess my final advice to 'new' Airborne collectors is do your homework.

Rich



Hmmmm. http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/think.gif You and I both have the same feeling.

Let's just call it what it is. Fake type 8 patch and fake Birmingham jump wings, BARE MINIMUM!

I am not saying he is aware of this FACT but I would put the onus on him with a website called Screaming Eagle that he would at least know that the type 8 is a fake.


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Posted 12 May 2009 - 06:46 PM

Hmmmm. http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/think.gif You and I both have the same feeling.

Let's just call it what it is. Fake type 8 patch and fake Birmingham jump wings, BARE MINIMUM!

I am not saying he is aware of this FACT but I would put the onus on him with a website called Screaming Eagle that he would at least know that the type 8 is a fake.
(crickets chirping in the background)


I found this to be appropriate here.




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Posted 13 May 2009 - 03:09 AM

SCREAMNEAGLE
Richard Maniscalco
P.O. Box 8387
Fredericksburg, VA 22404-8387


Forum members:

For what it's worth, here is Mark Bando's reply to the Type 8 patch -

A fake is still a fake.
I agree with what has been stated and in fact somebody
emailed me off-forum about the current auction of the fraudulent Type 8.
I sent him a link to the discussion which was held here a few weeks ago and
that explained it all. We should keep that one for future use, as I have a feeling we are
going to see a long succession of fake Type 8s offered for sale, in coming months and
years.


So there you have it. I don't think we have to question his knowledge on Type 8s.

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 05:20 AM

Forum members:

For what it's worth, here is Mark Bando's reply to the Type 8 patch -

A fake is still a fake.
I agree with what has been stated and in fact somebody
emailed me off-forum about the current auction of the fraudulent Type 8.
I sent him a link to the discussion which was held here a few weeks ago and
that explained it all. We should keep that one for future use, as I have a feeling we are
going to see a long succession of fake Type 8s offered for sale, in coming months and
years.


So there you have it. I don't think we have to question his knowledge on Type 8s.


ONCE AGAIN,

UNBELIEVABLE!

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Posted 14 May 2009 - 10:32 AM

This just came to my attention regarding the "dealer" that has been discussed in the "Dealer" section. (Or not discussed for one reason or another?)

This was written by Michael Geissenger for the New York Times.

I'll go ahead and ask the question then. Why does it seem that many of the members on this forum are reluctant to discuss this dealer?

Is this the type of person that we or anyone who collects historical items should deal with?


I'll wait for your replies, or are we just going to get crickets once again?


"In early 1994, an amateur collector of Indian artifacts here offered a customer a cache consisting of beads, belts, buffalo teeth and a bone labeled "Cheyenne grave rib." The bone turned out to be a leg, not a rib, and the customer turned out to be an undercover agent with the Bureau of Land Management.

The collector, Richard P. Maniscalco, 49, of Rappahannock Academy, Va., a videotape supervisor for the United States Information Agency, became the first person charged under a law passed in 1990 prohibiting the transporting, buying or selling of Indian remains. He pleaded guilty in December to two misdemeanors: selling archeological resources and violating the 1990 law by trafficking in Native American remains.

On Tuesday Judge W. Curtis Sewell of Federal District Court in Alexandria, Va., fined Mr. Maniscalco $2,000 and ordered him to pay the cost of returning the bone to the Northern Cheyenne Tribe in Montana -- about $1,500 for a round-trip flight for a tribal official to carry the bone from Fredericksburg to Montana.

Each charge could have brought Mr. Maniscalco a $100,000 fine and a year in prison. But the prosecutor, Assistant United States Attorney Dennis M. Kennedy, asked for a lighter penalty, noting that Mr. Maniscalco had helped investigators in other cases by allowing an undercover agent to take part in his conversations about sales of Indian artifacts at a gun show and at an antique shop.

Looters have long known that the richest stores of American Indian relics were to be found in burial grounds, where pots, tools and other tributes were interred with the dead. Federal authorities have been frustrated in their attempts to put a stop to such plundering, which is both illegal and considered sacrilegious by Indians and non-Indians alike.

But Mr. Maniscalco's activities represent a ghoulish sideline among collectors: a market for Indian bones.

Investigators said the bone had been stolen from Little Bighorn Battlefield National Monument, at the bluff in Montana where Gen. George A. Custer died in the legendary 1876 battle in which Sioux and Cheyenne warriors defeated Government troops. According to court records, Mr. Maniscalco got the bone from a former part-time ranger at the battlefield who had taken artifacts at night. The ranger pleaded guilty in 1993 to selling artifacts under another law that protects battlefields.

The National Park Service, which recorded more than 600 thefts at American Indian sites last year, tracks archeological prosecutions. David Tarler, a Park Service lawyer who keeps the records, said that the new law had not yet put a crimp in a market that embraces both small-time collectors and some of the world's largest auction houses. "You look at these catalogues and the big auctions, and you know the supply has not been cut off," he said.

In the booming international market for Indian art, a perfect ceramic pot can bring $30,000. Investigators said looters, who often call themselves treasure hunters, sometimes hide by working at night and in rainstorms.

Mr. Maniscalco specializes in Civil War memorabilia. In a written statement accompanying his plea, he said he had become enamored of the Indian relics at a weapons show and had later traded badges from Nazi Germany for artifacts from Little Bighorn.

In January 1994, according to the statement, Mr. Maniscalco met the undercover agent at a motel room in Fredericksburg, a town 50 miles south of Washington and flanked by Civil War battlefields.

At Mr. Maniscalco's sentencing, he said that he had shown "poor judgment" but that he had believed the bone had been legally obtained because his source was a ranger who claimed that he had permission to collect such artifacts. In fact, there is no legal market for Indian remains.

He also apologized to his family, the court and the United States Government, but several members of the American Indian Movement, a political advocacy group, attended the hearing and later said he should have apologized to the Indian people.

"A spiritual resting site was defiled, and they act like it was a piece of pottery or an arrowhead," Chris Matson, a 28-year-old Cherokee, in an interview. Michael A. Johnson, 21, who is Cherokee and Chickasaw, added: "If I dug up the Jamestown settlers, I would be locked up. But if our ancestors are dug up, it is considered archeology."

Mr. Johnson alluded to a curious twist in statutes governing the plundering of graves. While most states prohibit grave robbing, they do not specifically protect Indian burial sites. Federal laws, on the other hand, protect only the remains of Indians.

An investigator said agents at the motel raid had thought that in addition to the leg bone, they had caught Mr. Maniscalco with a necklace of Indian finger bones. But the investigator said Mr. Maniscalco insisted that it was made of the fingers of cavalrymen. Those are legal to own.

Photo: A Cheyenne scalping knife, a buffalo tooth and beads were among the evidence against Richard P. Maniscalco, a collector of American Indian artifacts who was convicted of violating a Federal law against trafficking in Indian remains. The man carried the beads in a film canister. (Michael Geissinger for The New York Times)"

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Posted 14 May 2009 - 10:58 AM

I have merged the abovee post into this topic which already existed about this dealer.

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Posted 14 May 2009 - 03:33 PM

I have merged the abovee post into this topic which already existed about this dealer.

Johan



Hi Johan,

I purposely placed it under misc. in hope that it would get more exposure. There is one of two things going on.

1. Either people here just don't give a d a m n.
2. It is not being viewed by the majority of people.

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Posted 29 June 2009 - 08:03 PM

Dear fellow collectors be aware of this Dealer.He shipped to me an order to Athens Greece with activated ammo in it.The parcel of course it was held by the Custom authorities and i still have a lot of problems with the Police like if i was a terrorist.And he said for this OK it was a mistake My Son did the package.Also he never admited to send full refunds for this loss so fellow collector be aware of this guy.

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Posted 29 June 2009 - 08:10 PM

Dear fellow collectors be aware of this Dealer.He shipped to me an order to Athens Greece with activated ammo in it.The parcel of course it was held by the Custom authorities and i still have a lot of problems with the Police like if i was a terrorist.And he said for this OK it was a mistake My Son did the package.Also he never admited to send full refunds for this loss so fellow collector be aware of this guy.



I have merged your new thread into the already existing thread on this dealer.

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Posted 30 June 2009 - 05:20 AM

Is this the same guy?

http://www.nytimes.c...ian-graves.html


Sounds like him. I know he was from Virginia. I bought a couple French insignia from him a couple years ago at a DC Big flea event. I'm pretty sure the insignia were good but the prices were quite high. I really didn't look that closely at the other items he had on his tables.

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Posted 01 July 2009 - 02:04 AM

Sounds like him. I know he was from Virginia. I bought a couple French insignia from him a couple years ago at a DC Big flea event. I'm pretty sure the insignia were good but the prices were quite high. I really didn't look that closely at the other items he had on his tables.


Yes - it's the same guy, the same one - who you'll remember , was peddling the absolute outright fake 101st AB Type 8 patch.

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 09:52 AM

Hello everybody,

I'm sorry to post a message on this topic where nobody has replied on in the last three years but I recently discovered this dealer's website and saw some very interesting items. Have there in the last years been people who have done good business with him? :)

With kind regards,

Koen.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 12:27 PM

Richar Maniscalco from Screamneagle is the same as thedogfacesoldier store?


Edited by Anderx, 19 June 2017 - 12:28 PM.



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