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Everything on this uniform appears to date to WW2, but these are not the typical rank patches you find. Also, why two fourageres? Are they different? Can anyone enlightene me? Thanks a lot

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Those are short lived Korean war era stripes. The green fouregeare is for the 1st div. I'm not sure about the red one. This soldier might have been a retread or just stayed in the service, without the

ribbons it's hard to tell if he was in ww2. Any soldier in the unit would be authorized to where the award when with the unit.

 

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These style chevrons were worn from 1948 to 1951. Interestingly enough, during this period, there was no 3 chevron "buck sergeant" rank. The 3 chevrons with rocker (what you have here) was "sergeant", not "staff sergeant."

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From what we see thus far, and it looks alright so far, 1948 Regulation Ranks Combat Branches so is it is a IKE Jacket worn from 1948 into 1952 by a Reservist of the 104th Infantry Division who was in the 1st Infantry Division in the recent war. The 103th Infantry Division is reactivated in the United States Army Reserve out in the Mid West in 1947 as a combat division. The old Cactus Division is essentially disbanded in 1963 with some of it's unit's incorporated into the newly activated 205th Infantry Brigade (Separate).

 

The two ropes? The one on the right, the Green with Red is the French Fourragère, the other with Red and Green is the Belgian Fourragère, 1st Inf Dv receives the Belgian rope in WWII, the French one is for WWI, two Croix de Guerre with Palm, but depending on the unit, these being the Infantry and Field Artillery, Engineers, its awarded additional awards of the Croix de Guerre with Palm in WWII, for a total of four, two from WWI and two from WWII, which gives these units the Fourragère in the colors of the Médaille Militaire, which is a totally different color

 

Those units not in the Infantry etc within the 1st Infantry Divison who didn't earn the total of four Croix de Guerre's still wear the French Rope, these units, including the HQ of the division were awarded two Croix de Guerre for the period of WWII, and will wear the one in the colors of the 1940 Croix de Guerre, which looks like the one there.

 

So a this guy, just wore the both, or, the Belgian one was with it and somebody put it on it. A little more examination of the IKE is in order, ie, is there Overseas Bars, and or Service Stripes (Can't see cuffs), what are the marking where te Ribbons should be, should be blemishes on the front, more so on the rear area, maybe a Combat Infantryman Badge above the ribbons? but since this guy isn't wearing the Médaille Militaire Fourragère there's a good chance he wasn't Infantry or Field Artillery (No Branch Collar Disc present, there maybe of been Four there originally HERE, and despite wearing the 1948 Regulation Ranks Combat Branches, though he could then be a Cavalrymen ( the 1st Inf Div Recon Troop) or in the Tank Battalion and or Tank Destroyer Battalions attached to the 1st Inf Div, they got the same WWII awards of the French and Belgian Croix de Guerre, and is serving in a similar unit in the reserve 103rd Inf Div.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Patches,

 

To clarify, some units of the First Infantry Division earned two awards of the French Croix de Guerre in World War I making those units awardees of the French fouragerre to the Croix de Guerre. In World War II, some of the 1st ID units earned another two unit awards of the Croix de Guerre making those regiments eligible for the fouragerre to the French Medalle Militaire (Green and yellow cord). A soldier serving in say the 16th or 18th Infantry Regiments during WWII would have been eligible to wear the Medalle Militaire while serving with the unit, but upon assignment to a new regiment, they would have reverted to wearing the fouragerre to the French Croix de Guerre.

 

As a side not, you will sometimes find 16th and 18th Infantry Regiment soldiers wearing THREE fouragerres- the French Croix de Guerre, the French Medalle Militaire and the Belgian fouragerre.

 

Allan

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Patches,

 

To clarify, some units of the First Infantry Division earned two awards of the French Croix de Guerre in World War I making those units awardees of the French fouragerre to the Croix de Guerre. In World War II, some of the 1st ID units earned another two unit awards of the Croix de Guerre making those regiments eligible for the fouragerre to the French Medalle Militaire (Green and yellow cord). A soldier serving in say the 16th or 18th Infantry Regiments during WWII would have been eligible to wear the Medalle Militaire while serving with the unit, but upon assignment to a new regiment, they would have reverted to wearing the fouragerre to the French Croix de Guerre.

 

As a side not, you will sometimes find 16th and 18th Infantry Regiment soldiers wearing THREE fouragerres- the French Croix de Guerre, the French Medalle Militaire and the Belgian fouragerre.

 

Allan

That's a good point Allan, never occurred to me. it makes sense that the Medalle Militaire Fourragère would only be worn in those units within the 1st Inf Div that were awarded those two CdG w/Palm for WWII on top of the two earned in WWI, this being only when serving currently in the regiments/battalions, removing that and wearing now the Fourragère in the colors of the 1940 CdG when reassigned, will be simply because they were not present in the 1st Division in WWI, meaning that really the only soldier seen say in 1948 wearing the Medalle Militaire Fourragère while serving in a unit other then the 1st Inf Div, in say for the sake of argument, in the 7th Inf Div in Japan, would then have to be a real old timer who was in the 1st Division in both WWI and WWII.

 

Found an example of this posted in U.S.Uniforms with Fourragère, a 1960s-1970s early mid 70s perhaps (Don't know date on tag if it might be an aid, like say coat is dated 1969 or say 1971). He's 1st Inf Div WWII Infantry Vet serving in an unknown unit of the First Army, a non infantry unit support unit probably, he is wearing the Infantry Disc U.S. Disc without Blue backing Discs, which is typical in this period, no Blue Rope of course, and as we see a Fourragère of the Green Red type, 30 years of servce, probly unform worn at retirement

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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That's a good point Allan, never occurred to me. it makes sense that the Medalle Militaire Fourragère would only be worn in those units within the 1st Inf Div that were awarded those two CdG w/Palm for WWII on top of the two earned in WWI, this being only when serving currently in the regiments/battalions, removing that and wearing now the Fourragère in the colors of the 1940 CdG when reassigned, will be simply because they were not present in the 1st Division in WWI, meaning that really the only soldier seen say in 1948 wearing the Medalle Militaire Fourragère while serving in a unit other then the 1st Inf Div, in say for the sake of argument, in the 7th Inf Div in Japan, would then have to be a real old timer who was in the 1st Division in both WWI and WWII.

 

Found an example of this posted in U.S.Uniforms with Fourragère, a 1960s-1970s early mid 70s perhaps (Don't know date on tag if it might be an aid, like say coat is dated 1969 or say 1971). He's 1st Inf Div WWII Infantry Vet serving in an unknown unit of the First Army, a non infantry unit support unit probably, he is wearing the Infantry Disc U.S. Disc without Blue backing Discs, which is typical in this period, no Blue Rope of course, and as we see a Fourragère of the Green Red type, 30 years of servce, probly unform worn at retirement

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ahgh forgot to post the said uniform.

 

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