Justin Posted December 27, 2019 Share #1 Posted December 27, 2019 Anyone see the 327th easy_green selling on Ebay for over $2,500?? Crazy! Apparently from Chris Armolds collection??? Can't post a link, but type in "M1 Helmet WWII 327th Glider Inf. Chris Armold Collection" and you'll see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickman983 Posted December 27, 2019 Share #2 Posted December 27, 2019 Saw that one when it was first listed. Wasn't a huge fan of it. Bit surprised it's gone that high so far. Here's the link to the listing. I'll upload pictures after lunch if no one else has by then. https://www.ebay.com/itm/120-M1-Helmet-WWII-327th-Glider-Inf-Chris-Armold-Collection/264574611489?hash=item3d99e03021:g:zy8AAOSwpBdd9TvP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOLO Posted December 27, 2019 Share #3 Posted December 27, 2019 https://www.ebay.com/itm/120-M1-Helmet-WWII-327th-Glider-Inf-Chris-Armold-Collection/264574611489?hash=item3d99e03021:g:zy8AAOSwpBdd9TvP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOLO Posted December 27, 2019 Share #4 Posted December 27, 2019 interior markings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOLO Posted December 27, 2019 Share #5 Posted December 27, 2019 auction description Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hudson Posted December 27, 2019 Share #6 Posted December 27, 2019 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costa Posted December 27, 2019 Share #7 Posted December 27, 2019 I need a bed pan for my late night visits. this will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grant G. Posted December 27, 2019 Share #8 Posted December 27, 2019 The accessories in his "Corpsman" helmet are no good either: https://www.ebay.com/itm/125-US-WWII-USN-Marines-Corpsman-M1-Helmet/233442587947?hash=item365a43352b:g:iK4AAOSwAEhd~Q4Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted December 27, 2019 Author Share #9 Posted December 27, 2019 The accessories in his "Corpsman" helmet are no good either: https://www.ebay.com/itm/125-US-WWII-USN-Marines-Corpsman-M1-Helmet/233442587947?hash=item365a43352b:g:iK4AAOSwAEhd~Q4Z That's probably the liner that came with the easy_green helmet, looks like his age work and part quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickman983 Posted December 27, 2019 Share #10 Posted December 27, 2019 Certainly an odd collection. From what I've seen I think he's had some decent pieces he has sold mixed in with duds like this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Camouflage Pattern I Posted December 27, 2019 Share #11 Posted December 27, 2019 I dont understand how anyone can look at markings like that and like it. Super heavy handed weathering, looks like some "rustic" decoration you could find at hobby lobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
644td Posted December 27, 2019 Share #12 Posted December 27, 2019 This is the same seller that recently sold a ARVN that was discussed here. Marty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugme Posted December 27, 2019 Share #13 Posted December 27, 2019 This seller has had a mixed bag of good and bad. As for it being one of Armolds? If it is, shame on him for selling it as a good one. That said, Chris was not against repro's in the distant past. Also, I don't know if this is an easy_green Justin. This one was either done by the Sutherland Bros. or their protégé, Gary of Lawdog Steel Helmets(the most likely source). Given that Gary and Chris are/were friends and this helmet has the heavy theatrical wash that Gary used, I am pretty sure this is his work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted December 27, 2019 Author Share #14 Posted December 27, 2019 Also, I don't know if this is an easy_green Justin. This one was either done by the Sutherland Bros. or their protégé, Gary of Lawdog Steel Helmets(the most likely source). Given that Gary and Chris are/were friends and this helmet has the heavy theatrical wash that Gary used, I am pretty sure this is his work. Sure looks like an Easy_Green to me. Regardless, it's a bad one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdk0911 Posted December 28, 2019 Share #15 Posted December 28, 2019 I asked him is the helmet is original and he said yes - then I broke the bad news - he does offer a 30 day return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted December 28, 2019 Author Share #16 Posted December 28, 2019 I asked him is the helmet is original and he said yes - then I broke the bad news - he does offer a 30 day return There is a bunch of 327th Easy_Green helmets on google image, they all look identical. Steer him in that direction if doesn't want to accept that it's not real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted December 28, 2019 Author Share #17 Posted December 28, 2019 I asked him is the helmet is original and he said yes - then I broke the bad news - he does offer a 30 day return I just sent the seller a message with 5 different 327th Easy_Green helmets, and they all look exactly like the one he has listed, as a friendly heads up, I see a bid has already been retracted. With the liner this helmet is worth under $200.00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wake1941 Posted December 28, 2019 Share #18 Posted December 28, 2019 Lol pretty good story though, got it 10 years ago from a published author. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugme Posted December 28, 2019 Share #19 Posted December 28, 2019 Regardless, it's a bad one. Agreed, the Sutherlands, Underhills, Phipps, Kashettas of the world and all others that do work like them have flooded the U.S. helmet community with hard to discern reproductions making it hard for collectors just coming in to this. It is sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted December 28, 2019 Author Share #20 Posted December 28, 2019 Agreed, the Sutherlands, Underhills, Phipps, Kashettas of the world and all others that do work like them have flooded the U.S. helmet community with hard to discern reproductions making it hard for collectors just coming in to this. It is sad. What's more sad is in 20 years a majority of collectors will think / assume they are real, on Facebook pages its jarring to see the amount of obviously bad helmets that get the thumbs up by other "collectors" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugme Posted December 28, 2019 Share #21 Posted December 28, 2019 What's more sad is in 20 years a majority of collectors will think / assume they are real, on Facebook pages its jarring to see the amount of obviously bad helmets that get the thumbs up by other "collectors"So true! It has happened in the art world. Fakes of some of the Masters are now 100 to 300 years old or older. So, now the fakes have natural age. To the credit of some of the reproduction guys like Gary Underhill, he used marked his helmets and liners as reproductions. However, if you pull out the repro liner and throw in an original then remove the reproduction mark on the helmet, it becomes just another fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken88 Posted December 28, 2019 Share #22 Posted December 28, 2019 Excerpt from the foreword in American Paratrooper Helmets (Michel De Trez). "Today, painted helmets are prime collectibles. Surviving original examples of paratroop M-2 helmets and airborne painted helmets are quite scarce and more than ninety percent of what is offered on the collector's market or even displayed in museums and collections are recreations, reproductions, reconstructions or fakes. The prices fetched by these helmets provide incentive to unscrupulous modern-day painters. The many helmets presented in this book may lead the reader to believe that these helmets are quite common. Bear in mind that many of these helmets are the sole known example from a specific unit. This book will doubtlessly insipire many counterfeiters who hope to make money off a foolish or dreamy collector and it will not be long before some painted helmets, which were unknown before this book, will appear on the collector's market." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugme Posted December 28, 2019 Share #23 Posted December 28, 2019 Excerpt from the foreword in American Paratrooper Helmets (Michel De Trez). "Today, painted helmets are prime collectibles. Surviving original examples of paratroop M-2 helmets and airborne painted helmets are quite scarce and more than ninety percent of what is offered on the collector's market or even displayed in museums and collections are recreations, reproductions, reconstructions or fakes. The prices fetched by these helmets provide incentive to unscrupulous modern-day painters. The many helmets presented in this book may lead the reader to believe that these helmets are quite common. Bear in mind that many of these helmets are the sole known example from a specific unit. This book will doubtlessly insipire many counterfeiters who hope to make money off a foolish or dreamy collector and it will not be long before some painted helmets, which were unknown before this book, will appear on the collector's market." Ironically, this wonderful book has depicted one helmet that, unknown to the author, ended up being a fake. This is a testament to how far fakers can and do go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunit35 Posted December 28, 2019 Share #24 Posted December 28, 2019 I just assumed this one was fake when I first saw it. Looks like I was correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccmax Posted December 28, 2019 Share #25 Posted December 28, 2019 Which is the fake helmet in De Trez book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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