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#1 Phantomf4

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Posted 09 December 2019 - 05:17 PM

Need some help, I can't find out nothing about these, This is some kind of enemy plane gunnery globe,  i have six of these, the planes are mounted on a rod and go inside of the globe, there are colors on the globe that coincide with the guns on the plane. The planes are lead on steel rods and have the type and date under the wings, they are dated 1/43. The Globes are plastic and not marked. They also have a info disc that goes on them 

 

I have no idea what these are called or what there used for. Google turned up nothing. Could use some help.

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Posted 09 December 2019 - 05:18 PM

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Posted 09 December 2019 - 05:18 PM

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Posted 09 December 2019 - 05:19 PM

Notice they have colored dots on the plane where the guns are located.

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Posted 09 December 2019 - 05:38 PM

Hmmmm......

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#6 Phantomf4

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Posted 09 December 2019 - 05:40 PM

That was Globe's, not Death stars!!! LOL 



#7 Steve B.

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Posted 09 December 2019 - 06:00 PM

These show the areas where the guns can be brought to bear, and areas where an attacking aircraft would be safe from defensive gunfire because of the location of the guns in relation to wings, engines, etc.



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Posted 09 December 2019 - 06:16 PM

i agree, wonder what the official name is?, Who made them?, is there instruction's on them, pictures of them using them etc.



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Posted 11 December 2019 - 01:10 AM

I don't know anything about these, but it would make sense to me that the colors on the globe indicate the best ways to attack the enemy aircraft (e.g. That red or orange area seams to line up with a frontal attack and in direct firing area of the Junkers' guns). Is there a bottom half of that red or orange circle that maybe needs to line up with the top half? Also wondering if the 1/43 is a scale size? Jeffro

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Posted 11 December 2019 - 06:17 AM

1/43 is not the scale, scale is usually written 1:43 and 1:72 is a common model scale and that would be much larger than the one pictured. That one is probably 1:150 or something like that. 



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Posted 11 December 2019 - 06:25 AM

1/43 Might be a date?
Growing up in Australia we can write a scale as 1/72.... look on Airfix plastic model kits...
I think they are really interesting and would have one in my collection if one is available.

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Posted 11 December 2019 - 07:04 AM

1/43 is the date, they are around 1/144 scale. I’m not sure if I have the right halves together on this one. I’ll put another one together and post it later.

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Posted 11 December 2019 - 10:00 PM

Yep, I guess the plane would be pretty big if it were 1/43 scale. Probably is a date. Jeffro

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Posted 12 December 2019 - 12:07 PM

Had a chance to match one of these up better, this is the DO-217 one.

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Posted 12 December 2019 - 12:07 PM

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Posted 12 December 2019 - 12:08 PM

Has coinciding colored dots with the colored shades on the globe.

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Posted 13 December 2019 - 06:24 PM

I'd be interested in seeing the manual to know how exactly these worked



#18 Phantomf4

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Posted 13 December 2019 - 07:18 PM

Yeah, me too!!

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Posted 13 December 2019 - 07:32 PM

Yes, the instructions would be good (to complete it too), it would probably show that sighting the enemy aircraft through the clear sections shows the least defended part of the aircraft and therefore the safest direction of attack. Never seen one before... really nice.

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Posted 14 December 2019 - 03:43 AM

Thats a cool training device. I would reach out to the curator of the National Museum of the Air Force for help. His email address should be on their website.

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Posted 14 December 2019 - 04:05 AM

Yeah I was thinking Air Force museum and maybe the National Air and Space museum. I figured these where probably made by Comet or Framburg since they are die cast planes. You can barely make out the name of the plane on the bottom of the fuselage that looks a lot like What Comet made.

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Posted 15 December 2019 - 07:28 AM

Out of the six you have are they all different planes or are there dupes?

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Posted 15 December 2019 - 07:37 AM

There is 1 Do217, 1 JU86K, 1 Nakajima torpedo bomber, and 3 JU-88's.



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Posted 11 January 2020 - 12:10 AM

Nobody figured out what these are?



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Posted 03 February 2020 - 08:26 PM

Found another one today, the guy i got the others from let me root around in one of his sheds, this one is a FW-200 Condor.

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