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#1 AZPhil

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 06:47 PM

So what type of shirt did the WAC's wear with their green? I have this pic, but the details are lacking.

Aunt annie pic wearing AFF patch.jpg .

 

 

 I just got a manniquinn to display my Aunt Aniie's uniform and I need a shirt.and looks like a tie too..

 

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Posted 02 October 2019 - 04:49 AM



So what type of shirt did the WAC's wear with their green? I have this pic, but the details are lacking.

attachicon.gifAunt annie pic wearing AFF patch.jpg.

 

 

 I just got a manniquinn to display my Aunt Aniie's uniform and I need a shirt.and looks like a tie too..

 

Semper Fi

Phil 

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Hi Phil, I recently sold off all my female collection ( and a lot of the rest of the collection ) I have attached photos of two shirts, one is summer chino and one wool, it's not set in stone but if your aunt served in the Continental States then a summer shirt might suffice, if she served in Europe then maybe the wool version.

 

It has been recorded in various veteran statements that various units arriving in the UK in 1942 were still wearing the summer chino shirts they wore in the warmer training areas of the States, however wool shirts were soon issued once they were in the cooler climates of the UK.  I sold some of my female veteran groupings and there were both summer and wool shirts in these groupings.

 

I hope that details of both shirts are easy to see the small pockets, the darts ( pleats ) above and below the pockets and obviously buttoning the opposite side to a means shirt.

 

Nice shot of your aunt I hope my post helps.

 

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Posted 02 October 2019 - 10:36 AM

Thank you Lewis,

 Your information and the pic's helped greatly.

 

My Aunt was stationed in the CBI theater of operations.(India) She was also attached to a USAAF command while there.

 

 So would I be correct in thinking due to the heat she would have gone with the cotton?

 

Also Would she of had a tie and if so, was it a female's tie of just a regular tie? 

 

Semper Fi

Phil


Edited by AZPhil, 02 October 2019 - 10:37 AM.


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Posted 02 October 2019 - 03:00 PM



Thank you Lewis,

 Your information and the pic's helped greatly.

 

My Aunt was stationed in the CBI theater of operations.(India) She was also attached to a USAAF command while there.

 

 So would I be correct in thinking due to the heat she would have gone with the cotton?

 

Also Would she of had a tie and if so, was it a female's tie of just a regular tie? 

 

Semper Fi

Phil

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Hi Phil, one would suspect that as she wearing the winter weight jacket that she would be wearing the corresponding wool shirt and cotton mohair necktie, however the shade of shirt and tie look a lot lighter to the jacket and as you mentioned she served in the CBI theatre then she could actually be wearing the tropical worsted khaki shirt and tie. ???

 

Shown below is a grouping from one woman WAC member there is a mixture off winter and summer clothing in this grouping, top left is the womens M-43 jacket and pants, three tropical worsted khaki shirts, middle left the winter M-43 liner, to the right the tropical worsted one piece dress, a poplin raincoat and woollen liner, over on the right a winter wool overcoat, bottom left tropical jacket, in the centre are two neckties one cotton mohair and on the right of the two a tropical worsted khaki necktie, she also has tropical and woollen versions of the womens garrison cap.

 

It might well be that the photograph of your aunt is an un-official shot as she is not wearing head-cover ?? and if it is un-official she might well have made her own choice of what shirt, necktie and jacket she felt comfortable with. ??? is it a shot that was taken once she returned home. 

 

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Posted 02 October 2019 - 03:24 PM



Thank you Lewis,

 Your information and the pic's helped greatly.

 

My Aunt was stationed in the CBI theater of operations.(India) She was also attached to a USAAF command while there.

 

 So would I be correct in thinking due to the heat she would have gone with the cotton?

 

Also Would she of had a tie and if so, was it a female's tie of just a regular tie? 

 

Semper Fi

Phil

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Hi Phil, I am not suggesting that these are the caps that your aunt would have worn with that jacket, just to try and show you if possible the tropical wool shirt material that she might be wearing as she served in the CBI, the left and centre are the tropical worsted and the label is from the centre cap.

 

Trying to assess what your aunt is wearing from that one photograph is very difficult, I hope that you can decide which you want to go with, its a complex problem given all the styles, colors and materials that they were issued with, it's not as black and white as one would wish it to be.

 

I was totally shocked to be speaking to a veteran US paratrooper in Nijmagen, Holland twenty-five years ago and I asked him which back-pack they were wearing by this time, he replied that his unit were using the un-camouflaged version of the ' jungle ' pack, I have to say I found it hard to believe until I saw photographic evidence, ' jungle ' packs being used in Europe ????

 

regards lewis.

 

 

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Posted 02 October 2019 - 03:34 PM

Thank you very much again Lewis,

I think that pic is before going to the CBI. The uniform I showed in this thread (Last Post) is the one she brought home and put away. You can see the CBI patch and also there is the AAF patch on her right shoulder. 

 

http://www.usmilitar...s-cbi-uniforms/

 

All the other pic's I have of her in the CBI are black and white and that doesn't help with color .

 

That is a wonderful selection of WAC uniforms. I wish I would of known you before that sale of them. I could of use some of those!!!

 Once again Thank You Sir!!

 

Semper Fi

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Posted 02 October 2019 - 04:17 PM



Thank you very much again Lewis,

I think that pic is before going to the CBI. The uniform I showed in this thread (Last Post) is the one she brought home and put away. You can see the CBI patch and also there is the AAF patch on her right shoulder. 

 

http://www.usmilitar...s-cbi-uniforms/

 

All the other pic's I have of her in the CBI are black and white and that doesn't help with color .

 

That is a wonderful selection of WAC uniforms. I wish I would of known you before that sale of them. I could of use some of those!!!

 Once again Thank You Sir!!

 

Semper Fi

Phil

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Hi Phil, thanks for your comments, only pleased to help if I can. That's a very interesting shirt conversion of your aunts with the CBI patch on in your link above, it's been made from a womens shirt into a ' British ' style battledress jacket the style of which was favoured by Eisenhower and nicknamed the ' Ike ' jacket.  

 

I liked and collected a lot of these oddities of converted uniform and equipment pieces, heres one I just sold in my last auction. It's an American mens shirt shortened and belted into a battledress style, all the buttons have been changed to Polish ones, and the insignia on the front pocket is for the Polish 1st Armored Division. 

 

be nice if you added those other photographs of your aunts clothing to this thread.

 

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Posted 02 October 2019 - 07:26 PM

I am glad to hear I am not bothering you. There are not many WAC collectors and I am really enjoying seeing what you had.  I have over a 100 pic's of my Aunts time in the service. A lot are her on her time off visiting various places in India. Some are from Kurachi and the Tj Mahal and other place in India. Some are of the office she worked in. It would be my pleasure to share them with you. I had to resize some of these due to the image size restrictions.

 Here are a small batch of what I have of her in uniform.

1 guy and annie (2)1.jpg 2 guys and annie (2)1.jpg At the club (2)1.jpg



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Posted 02 October 2019 - 07:32 PM

Annie CBI Wedding1-2.jpg Office 2 (2)1.jpg The Girls (2)1.jpg



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Posted 02 October 2019 - 07:39 PM

we need women (2)1.jpg Sailors and annie (2)1.jpg

Just a sample of what I have of her. I also have some of her doing entertainment shows along with many others of her

 I hope you enjoy these trips to the past as much as I do!!

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Posted 02 October 2019 - 07:52 PM

lawn pose (3)1.jpg office 1 (2)1.jpg

 A couple more .

Lewis, You mentioned auctions. When and where do these take place?

 

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Posted 03 October 2019 - 06:45 AM

I am glad to hear I am not bothering you. There are not many WAC collectors and I am really enjoying seeing what you had.  I have over a 100 pic's of my Aunts time in the service. A lot are her on her time off visiting various places in India. Some are from Kurachi and the Tj Mahal and other place in India. Some are of the office she worked in. It would be my pleasure to share them with you. I had to resize some of these due to the image size restrictions.

 Here are a small batch of what I have of her in uniform.

attachicon.gif1 guy and annie (2)1.jpgattachicon.gif2 guys and annie (2)1.jpgattachicon.gifAt the club (2)1.jpg

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Hi Phil,  thanks you're not bothering me in the least, I may have had a bunch of uniform stuff, but you have a bunch of your aunts photos always missing from my groupings ! !.

 

You asked me about the auctions I had, there was a two day auction in May 2018, and a second two day auction in May 2019, approximately 2,000 items from my collections were sold in these two auctions.  Below is the link for the first days auction in 2018, down the left hand side of the page are the various sections the auction house laid out so you could click on these and work through each section.  To the right of each section in red square are the words ' plus de detail ' click on this and more images of that item will be seen.  At the bottom of the column of sections should be the link to the following days sale, Part Two.  Some of the sections have two or three pages these will appear in the bottom right corner when you scroll down the page through the photo's. only the start prices appear to the right of the photo, the realised prices have been deleted post auction date. 

 

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Posted 03 October 2019 - 07:14 AM

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Hi Phil,  apologies I intended that this photo should have been attached to the previous mail, it shows a section of the auctioned items in 2018.  ;)

 

Look forward to seeing more of your photos if you have any please.

 

 

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Posted 03 October 2019 - 01:35 PM

Looks like you had some nice stuff to sell Lewis. I'll try and get more pic's scanned and post them.

 Sent you a PM

Take care and Thanks again for your help. Very much appreciated. 

Semper Fi

Phil


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Posted 04 October 2019 - 04:27 PM

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Hi Phil,  thanks you're not bothering me in the least, I may have had a bunch of uniform stuff, but you have a bunch of your aunts photos always missing from my groupings ! !.

 

You asked me about the auctions I had, there was a two day auction in May 2018, and a second two day auction in May 2019, approximately 2,000 items from my collections were sold in these two auctions.  Below is the link for the first days auction in 2018, down the left hand side of the page are the various sections the auction house laid out so you could click on these and work through each section.  To the right of each section in red square are the words ' plus de detail ' click on this and more images of that item will be seen.  At the bottom of the column of sections should be the link to the following days sale, Part Two.  Some of the sections have two or three pages these will appear in the bottom right corner when you scroll down the page through the photo's. only the start prices appear to the right of the photo, the realised prices have been deleted post auction date. 

 

regards lewis.

 

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Hi Phil,  apologies I appear to have forgotten to add the link to the auction you wanted to see, here are two links for the Saturday and Sunday auction in 2018, hope you enjoy the viewing. The realised prices are no longer shown.

 

http://www.aiolfi.co...angleterre-wwi/

 

 

http://www.aiolfi.co...lewis-partie-2/

 

 

there are close to a thousand items between these two days, each items has several photos per item if you click on the red box to the right of the main photo marked ' Plus de Detail '

 

regards lewis.

 

 



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Posted 04 October 2019 - 08:14 PM

You had an amazing collection Mr. Lewis. I loved the cold steel section( another love of mine) and I'm also passionate about the USAAF, as my uncle served in the 8th AF and I currently have a 99 year old friend who went down with my Uncle when their B17 was shot down.(Priceless information) . My interest have turned toward those items since 2010.
 I must say I am a little humbled that you are helping me.
Thank you again Sir!
 
Semper Fi
Phil
 
  ps. I did sign up for that auction house newsletter, as I don't want to miss out again.Thank you for that link
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Posted 09 October 2019 - 02:38 AM

You had an amazing collection Mr. Lewis. I loved the cold steel section( another love of mine) and I'm also passionate about the USAAF, as my uncle served in the 8th AF and I currently have a 99 year old friend who went down with my Uncle when their B17 was shot down.(Priceless information) . My interest have turned toward those items since 2010.
 I must say I am a little humbled that you are helping me.
Thank you again Sir!
 
Semper Fi
Phil
 
  ps. I did sign up for that auction house newsletter, as I don't want to miss out again.Thank you for that link
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Hello Phil, thanks for enjoying the photos at the links I provided, I have forwarded you a few more images of the ' cold-steel ' items to your email address as this thread is about your aunts photos and not my collection.

 

Only happy to have tried to help you, however if there is something to be gleaned from one of the images that you added that all uniforms are not uniform. If we look at the uniform of the four women notice that one is wearing a sweater, three have laced shoes but the one far right wears strap and buckle shoes, also considering that this shot is in the CBI area the one on the right is wearing wool shirt and skirt.

 

Please do not feel ' humbled ' there is no need to, the word humbled, Mr Lewis or Sir I find embarrassing titles, I always refer to myself as lewis, please feel free to also use that.

 

regards lewis.

 

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Posted 15 October 2019 - 01:04 PM

Hello Lewis,

 You are correct, when I zoom in it does look like my Aunt is wearing a sweater and that the shoes are a different type of fastening. Some with laces and the end Girl with the CBI patch has the buckle type. I am not up to date on the type of shoes they were allowed to wear. I know for AAF officers, that they just had to have them in russet brown. I have seen high tops, laces and buckle types in period photo's of member's of the AAF..

I am not sure of the uniform restriction that would have been enforced in Karachi where she was stationed with the AAF.

 

 I do have MANY pictures of her in civilian clothing while in the CBI. I know that Men had to be in uniform,  But it looks like women did not have to follow that rule, Or My Aunt was a risk taker along with her crew of merry WAC's and they liked to push the limits.

 

I have to get a scanner to do anymore of her vast collection of pic's she has. I'll look into getting myself one or try using the one I have here at work.

 

Looking forward to more insight from your knowledge of these WAC's..

Take care

Semper Fi

Phil.




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