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Posted 30 September 2019 - 03:22 PM

Are these three pieces USMC posibly made in Korea in the 50 ?

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 03:48 PM

Are these three pieces USMC posibly made in Korea in the 50 ?

Yep.

 

http://www.usmilitar...-rank-chevrons/



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Posted 30 September 2019 - 04:06 PM

Very cool usually these are missing the nut on the back for the screwpost. Id like to say these are for the liners but I think Ive seen more worn on caps than the liners

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 05:01 PM

Very cool usually these are missing the nut on the back for the screwpost. Id like to say these are for the liners but I think Ive seen more worn on caps than the liners

These ones both the Marine and Army ones from the war were worn more often then not on the caps if worn. It was within the Army that the specifically U.S. ones, those large enameled ones were worn on the liners and even then not seen that much really, EM rank decals more so., this basically towards the end of the 50s.



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Posted 30 September 2019 - 05:12 PM

Thanks I was going to say Ive seen these on the pile cap and the ridge way cap fairly often in the 50s

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 05:37 PM

Great theater-made ranks. There were also ones painted in blue for the Army



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Posted 01 October 2019 - 04:01 AM

Very cool usually these are missing the nut on the back for the screwpost. Id like to say these are for the liners but I think Ive seen more worn on caps than the liners

Thanks Sean.



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Posted 01 October 2019 - 04:02 AM

Thank you.

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 04:04 AM

Great theater-made ranks. There were also ones painted in blue for the Army

Thank you. 

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 06:18 AM

Thanks I was going to say Ive seen these on the pile cap and the ridge way cap fairly often in the 50s

They were real snappy as seen on this GI in the war.

 

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 06:23 AM

And this late 50s early 60s example from member Hardstripe with the enameled version.

 

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 09:25 PM

Anyone ever seen any photos of USMC wearing these chevrons?  I've been looking but have not yet found them in photos



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Posted 07 October 2019 - 04:51 AM

Anyone ever seen any photos of USMC wearing these chevrons?  I've been looking but have not yet found them in photos

A few of the Marine ones posted in the linked topic by hhbooker2 have wear, though not sure of course if's it's wear from being worn somewhere on a Marine, or wear from storage and or handling all these long years.



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Posted 07 October 2019 - 06:42 AM

I need to find period photos of them in use.  I want to include them in my book on USMC ranks.



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Posted 07 October 2019 - 05:37 PM

I need to find period photos of them in use.  I want to include them in my book on USMC ranks.

If they were worn a good guess would be on the Pile Caps right, on the HBT Cover? Don't know, if they did put them on those they would be obscuring the EGA Stencil.

 

One good place to look would be any 1st Mar Div Korean War yearbooks, these are always a boon of photos for things like this, don't know if the 1st Mar Div hsd unit yearbboks???



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Posted 09 October 2019 - 02:35 PM

I think they were probably more souvenir than permitted for wear by USMC



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Posted 09 October 2019 - 03:46 PM

I agree, but you know SOME of them probably wore them anyway.  Either was was certainly the first metal enlisted ranks worn, even if they weren't actually authorized.  Here are some other funky early ranks.  I imagine this supplier (who was apparently around for a long time in Brooklyn) assumed that this would be the new insignia when the crossed rifles were added in January 1959 perhaps not realizing that the Corps was also making their chevrons narrower.  I have only seen these two ranks but I wonder if they made the other ranks too.

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 04:20 PM

I agree, but you know SOME of them probably wore them anyway.  Either was was certainly the first metal enlisted ranks worn, even if they weren't actually authorized.  Here are some other funky early ranks.  I imagine this supplier (who was apparently around for a long time in Brooklyn) assumed that this would be the new insignia when the crossed rifles were added in January 1959 perhaps not realizing that the Corps was also making their chevrons narrower.  I have only seen these two ranks but I wonder if they made the other ranks too.

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Those are real interesting, made like the existing ones worn at that time we see. Wonder if Max Cohn was the only one who made these, or if other makers had the same idea and followed suit however briefly


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Posted 09 October 2019 - 04:31 PM

Maybe they were contracted samples/prototypes?



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Posted 09 October 2019 - 05:33 PM

Who knows Brig!  Anything is possible.  Would love to find a complete set!  

Patches - I have only ever seen them on Max Cohn cards so I think they were the only ones.  
Here's a little info on them:
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Posted 24 October 2019 - 08:16 PM

Check it out guys!  I finally found a shot it being worn by a Marine!

https://www.flickr.c...in/photostream/


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Posted 24 October 2019 - 08:19 PM

Another shot.. if you zoom in you can see a bunch of guys in the background wearing them on their caps.

https://www.flickr.c...in/photostream/



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Posted 25 October 2019 - 06:59 AM

Another shot.. if you zoom in you can see a bunch of guys in the background wearing them on their caps.

https://www.flickr.c...in/photostream/

Great find, the the one with the formation is extra good in showing the band in a field setting, liners and all, the 1st Marine Division Band I suppose right.



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Posted 25 October 2019 - 07:17 AM

When I was at Ft Hood in 80-81 I was a regular at the post library, they had a huge selection of Army Yearbooks from the 40s- 50s and 60s, these being Basic Training Graduation yearbooks from not only Ft Hood, IE The 2nd Armd Div in Elvis' Day, and the old WWII Tank Destroyer Replacement Training Center and the Infantry Replacement Training Center, but some from other Army Posts as well.

 

They had 50-60s  Unit Yearbooks, like the 24th Infantry Division in West Germany, the 9th Infantry Division at Ft Carson etc etc and Divisional Wartime Year Books, like the 1st Armored Division in WWII, the 3rd Infantry Division WWII, 1st Cavalry Division in Korea as well as Vietnam, the 3rd Brigade 82nd Airborne Division in Vietnam etc etc, a whole bunch of stuff you could take out.

 

One book I took out was a Korean War pictorial on the United States Marine Corp during the Korean War 1950-53, it wasn't a 1st Mar Div yearbook from Korea, just a photo book, sure wish I could of remembered the title and what the cover looked like, as I would love to have this in my collection, it had from what I remember loads of great photos, it no doubt would of yielded up some great interesting photos to scan and share here on USMF.



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Posted 25 October 2019 - 07:27 AM

You should call Ft Hood library and see if they can locate it!  Or if you can find the title, let me know!  Would love to track that one down!




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