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#1 kirkwilt

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Posted 22 September 2019 - 04:14 PM

Found this DUI and it looks alot like the 41st Field Artillery Regiment but not exactly.  I'm thinking it's from the 40's or 50's as back is marked N.S. Meyer New York With Shield hallmark Underneath. Any help would be appreciated   DSCF4796.JPG DSCF4799.JPG  

 

 



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Posted 22 September 2019 - 04:36 PM

40th Field Artillery Battalion



#3 kirkwilt

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Posted 22 September 2019 - 06:15 PM

Is it a DUI and if so where can I find more information on it?



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Posted 22 September 2019 - 09:49 PM

This one had me stumped, the 40th FA Bn back in the 50s had a different one for sure, and the 41st, they have the one that's familiar..........But, found this just now, a immediate post WWII made one just like the design seen in the OP, theater made, probably German.

 

 

Courtesy of Flying Tigers Antiques, was sold a long time ago, but fortunately the images for the item are still posted

thtrmde41stfabndiobv.jpghttps://www.flyingti...-battalion.html

 

 

Now the fun part, Lineage, theirs is all over road, happens that way sometimes with a whole lot of various units, confusing and conflicting.

 

 

The 41st FA Bn was formed in October 1940 and assigned to the 3rd Division, was with it the whole war. This 41st FA Bn is really a totally different organization from the old 41st Coast Artillery Regiment that was in Hawaii under the old Hawaiian Department, and the first 41st Field Artillery Regiment formed in WWI, the unit from what I can tell was a paper unit from 1933 till it was reactivated 1 October 1940.  But in 1950 two former elemts of the old 41st CA Regt are confusingly "Consolidated" with the 41st FA Bn, whatever that means.

 

Here you can see it for yourself the lineage :lol:

 

Just a heads up

 

The 41st FA Bn did not serve with the 3rd Div in Korea, it has no Korean War Campaign Credits, as you'll see,  it says " Relieved 6 April 1951 from assignment" Don't know what that means as the 3rd Div in April 1951 was locked in Heavy Combat in Korea at that time, perhaps the unit was a paper unit after WWII???  Till it''s " Reassignment to to the 3rd Div in 1954??? Also says it was in 1950 in the 41st Div, don't no what's going on with that considering this Washington and Oregon National Guard Division's ARTY was the 146th, 147th.218th, and 965th Field Artillery Battalions, see confusing and conflicting :lol:

 

 

https://en.wikipedia...illery_Regiment

 

 

Verdict, this one was the original DI for the 41st FA Bn, probably at first locally approved overseas, then officially approved as the one in the OP is a U.S. made NS Meyer PB one, and the one adopted in the early 50s (16 September 1952) is a redesign, which happened sometimes, here they used the motto and the broad arrow of the first design, it now incorporates certain things related to the old 41st CA Regt who's elemts were "Consolidated" with it in 1950,


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Posted 23 September 2019 - 04:30 AM

Wow!  Thanks Patches, very informative. I appreciate all the help



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Posted 23 September 2019 - 07:24 AM

Wow!  Thanks Patches, very informative. I appreciate all the help

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 05:56 AM

Just a little more info on the 41st FA Bn that's not mentioned, Shelby Stanton's U.S. Army Odere of Battle gives a 6 September 1946 Inactivation date for the unit, this occurs at either the New York Port of Embarkation New York City, or at one of the near by posts affiliated with the NY POE, Camp Kilmer New Jersey or Camp Shanks New York. Again not certain what it's status was after this 1946 date, it may have been only a Regular Army Allotted paper unit.



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Posted 24 September 2019 - 08:39 AM

You can also join ASMIC.

 

There are no better DI references available then what ASMIC has.

 

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