Nickman983 Posted July 30, 2019 Share #1 Posted July 30, 2019 Picked this up recently for what I think was a pretty decent price. I was wondering if this net is in fact an original US manufactured shrimp net or if it was cut from vehicle netting. I think the two sides are the same color and it's just the pictures that make them look a bit different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickman983 Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share #2 Posted July 30, 2019 "front" side of the net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickman983 Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share #3 Posted July 30, 2019 "back" side of the net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Hazard Posted July 31, 2019 Share #4 Posted July 31, 2019 Looks good Rooster. Some time ago I made a reference thread for these: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/295897-m1-helmet-shrimp-net-reference-guide/ Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickman983 Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share #5 Posted July 31, 2019 Thanks Pat. I've seen that thread a few times, I just wasn't sure whether this was one of the US manufactured nets made specifically for helmets or if it was cut from some vehicle netting or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Hazard Posted July 31, 2019 Share #6 Posted July 31, 2019 All shrimp nets were cut from vehicle netting: http://www.90thidpg.us/Research/Original/ShrimpNet/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickman983 Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share #7 Posted July 31, 2019 I was of the understanding the US manufactured nets and distributed them with a band like this example http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/183847-m1944-helmet-net-w-interesting-band/ Were these just cut from spare vehicle nets and issued with the band/tag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Camouflage Pattern I Posted July 31, 2019 Share #8 Posted July 31, 2019 Looks too thick for US net, I think its post war European. But just a guess. I dont know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickman983 Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share #9 Posted July 31, 2019 Looks too thick for US net, I think its post war European. But just a guess. I dont know. Looking at it closer I think you're right that it's too thick to be the US issued type of helmet net. However, I'm not sure that it's post war European. To me it looks very much like the "3rd ID" style netting in posts 7 through 12 of Pat's reference guide. Though I don't know enough about post war euro netting to be sure. I've taken some pictures of the net on one of my helmets, I'll post them tomorrow morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickman983 Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share #10 Posted July 31, 2019 Here are the pictures I mentioned in my last post. This is the "back" side of the net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickman983 Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share #11 Posted July 31, 2019 and this is the "front" side of the net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted July 31, 2019 Share #12 Posted July 31, 2019 That may be a Swedish net, or a Danish one. I would need to check my examples to say for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickman983 Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share #13 Posted July 31, 2019 hmm, I've looked around online a bit and found a site with some Swedish/Danish nets http://www.matshelmets.se/nets.html So far I haven't seen anything Swedish or Danish that matches the net in question, though I'm sure that what I'm seeing is not a complete sample of what's out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted July 31, 2019 Share #14 Posted July 31, 2019 The weave pattern, if not the gauge, looks closest to the second Swedish example from that page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Hazard Posted August 1, 2019 Share #15 Posted August 1, 2019 I owned a Swedish net and Dutch net and the holes are larger than vehicle netting. You can always clip a piece off and run a burn tests; lots of post war netting used nylon. Keep in mind that WWII shrimp nets were used by lots of countries after WWII; I seen Israeli and French use those well into the 60's from original examples. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickman983 Posted August 1, 2019 Author Share #16 Posted August 1, 2019 Thanks for the info Pat. The holes are about the same size as the net cut from NOS Canadian vehicle netting that I purchased from another member a few weeks ago. I'll probably do a burn test on all three of my nets when I get the chance later tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickman983 Posted August 1, 2019 Author Share #17 Posted August 1, 2019 Just got a chance to try the burn test. All three "burned". The 1/2 inch net the small amount I cut I was able to actually get to catch on fire. The two shrimp nets I have burnt, but didn't actually catch on fire. I also tried a small snippet from a loose strand from a nape strap and a loose strand from a chinstrap just as a control. They both burnt in the same way as the shrimp nets (not actually catching fire) and smelled about the same as the two shrimp nets when burning. I didn't see any melting or shrinking like I would have expected with nylon so I assume that this is a good sign for the nets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted August 1, 2019 Share #18 Posted August 1, 2019 I am not sure what the burn test proves in this case. Early postwar nets probably didn't have any synthetic material in them, although I can't say for certain. If the net in question was cut from a larger shrimp net, it is odd that the person who cut it happened to follow essentially the same geometry as a postwar Swedish net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickman983 Posted August 1, 2019 Author Share #19 Posted August 1, 2019 The burn test only proves that it's not synthetic. If it was synthetic then it would definitely be post war and the origin wouldn't matter much at that point (at least for me). The pattern of the net is also the same as the us M44 nets issued during WWII. Why someone would cut it in that shape is up to speculation but the shape of the cut was something done by the US. As of now I think the closest net to this one that I've seen is the 3rd ID style mentioned in Pat's thread above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juodonnell2012 Posted August 5, 2019 Share #20 Posted August 5, 2019 Looks good to me, this looks just like one of the variations of vehicle nets that were often cut up to make helmet covers especially with the 3rd ID and other units. The vehicle nets I have had are very bulky and thick. Sent from my SM-J727V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccmax Posted August 14, 2019 Share #21 Posted August 14, 2019 As far as the originals I've seen from WW2, all had different colors on the opposing sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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