Gerradtgrant Posted July 27, 2019 Share #1 Posted July 27, 2019 I have been searching the forum and the interwebs for info on this round. The best i have been able to come up with is this was probably left over from WWI and used as a training round? With the bottom bored out and the slashes going through some of the letters being crossed out on the bottom. I also think this is a Winchester round. I have seen lots of pictures and I didn't find another one that had the army ordinance crest on the round. Can anyone give me more insight on this round? This is a new learning endeavor for me. Thank you in advance. Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
917601 Posted July 27, 2019 Share #2 Posted July 27, 2019 The flaming bomb stamp was used on all US accepted ordnance thru WW2. You have a common 37mm model of 1916 ( Hotchkiss ) artillery piece. Not sure it is Winchester made, the examples I have seen have Winchester spelled out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerradtgrant Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share #3 Posted July 27, 2019 The flaming bomb stamp was used on all US accepted ordnance thru WW2. You have a common 37mm model of 1916 ( Hotchkiss ) artillery piece. Not sure it is Winchester made, the examples I have seen have Winchester spelled out...Thank you for the reply. I was only going off of the limited info I could find online about it being Winchester. So, this is for the hotchkiss. I was unsure on that. Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
917601 Posted July 27, 2019 Share #4 Posted July 27, 2019 As I thought, BOCN website had the answer.... "WMFGCo is Wheeling Mould and Foundry Co. Winchester proudly stamped their whole name!!" A common piece, but in nice condition...no holes drilled in it, mouth not all buggered up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
917601 Posted July 27, 2019 Share #5 Posted July 27, 2019 Their example is identical to yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerradtgrant Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share #6 Posted July 27, 2019 Their example is identical to yours.{style_image_url}/attachicon.gif image.jpegThank you so much for your help. On the bottom side top of mine do you know why they would have Crossed all of those letters out with the hash marks? Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
917601 Posted July 27, 2019 Share #7 Posted July 27, 2019 More: I noticed the head stamp " sub caliber"....which explains why the original AMM lot was X out. Your shell was reloaded as a training sub cal round used for the 4.5"-8" artillery, the 75mm-155mm artillery pieces. When training gunners, it was much cheaper to use the millions of surplus WW1 37mm rounds on hand than manufacturing the real projectile.Hoggs book on artillery has pictures of the 37mm sub cal barrels that were installed inside the big bored artillery pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerradtgrant Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share #8 Posted July 27, 2019 More: I noticed the head stamp " sub caliber"....which explains why the original AMM lot was X out. Your shell was reloaded as a training sub cal round used for the 4.5"-8" artillery, the 75mm-155mm artillery pieces. When training gunners, it was much cheaper to use the millions of surplus WW1 37mm rounds on hand than manufacturing the real projectile.Hoggs book on artillery has pictures of the 37mm sub cal barrels that were installed inside the big bored artillery pieces.Very interesting, I had a feeling this was probably used for some type of training through WWII if I remember right! Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerradtgrant Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share #9 Posted July 27, 2019 The flaming bomb stamp was used on all US accepted ordnance thru WW2. You have a common 37mm model of 1916 ( Hotchkiss ) artillery piece. Not sure it is Winchester made, the examples I have seen have Winchester spelled out...Do you collect ordinance stuff? Or just dabble in it? Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
917601 Posted July 28, 2019 Share #10 Posted July 28, 2019 I collect ordnance, a small sample. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
917601 Posted July 28, 2019 Share #11 Posted July 28, 2019 The 16" is a rare cluster munitions shell. It holds 666 cluster bombs, the USN inventory stated they had about 24 left in 1992 before they were scrapped....long story how I aquired it....it is incorrectly painted, ( HE colors- seller did not know what the band engraving meant, he assumed it was an HE, it is on my list to repainted correctly ( yellow diamonds at ogive) but moving it off the stand requires hoist as it weighs about 1600 lbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
917601 Posted July 28, 2019 Share #12 Posted July 28, 2019 The cluster munitions, a few M42 cluster bomblets inside, they are themselves getting hard to find.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerradtgrant Posted July 28, 2019 Author Share #13 Posted July 28, 2019 The 16" is a rare cluster munitions shell. It holds 666 cluster bombs, the USN inventory stated they had about 24 left in 1992 before they were scrapped....long story how I aquired it....it is incorrectly painted, ( HE colors- seller did not know what the band engraving meant, he assumed it was an HE, it is on my list to repainted correctly ( yellow diamonds at ogive) but moving it off the stand requires hoist as it weighs about 1600 lbs. {style_image_url}/attachicon.gif image.jpegWow that is incredible! Nice little collection you have sir. I wish more of the stuff was around. Something I wouldn't mind having more of. Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
917601 Posted July 28, 2019 Share #14 Posted July 28, 2019 Diagram of my Mk 146 ICM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
917601 Posted July 28, 2019 Share #15 Posted July 28, 2019 Wow that is incredible! Nice little collection you have sir. I wish more of the stuff was around. Something I wouldn't mind having more of. Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk Ordnance is out there, but now getting to expensive to collect, but you never know what pops up so best to study it and know what is correct when you come across it. Way to much ordnance out there that is mix match, example, 105G stuck in a 105H case, vice versa....navy 3" stuck in 75mm cases, etc. WW2 ordnance ( correct) has become outrageous, I love militaria but medals, patches, field gear, uniforms, helmets, etc are just to numerous and to common to collect ( compared to Ordnance). Happy hunting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerradtgrant Posted July 28, 2019 Author Share #16 Posted July 28, 2019 Ordnance is out there, but now getting to expensive to collect, but you never know what pops up so best to study it and know what is correct when you come across it. Way to much ordnance out there that is mix match, example, 105G stuck in a 105H case, vice versa....navy 3" stuck in 75mm cases, etc. Happy hunting.I appreciate your knowledge and willingness to educate me. This forum truly is a blessing for folks like me. Thank you again! Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
917601 Posted July 28, 2019 Share #17 Posted July 28, 2019 I put this together as an aid in identifying ordnance. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/329052-ww2-era-ordnance-37mm-76mm-howitzer/ Perhaps you can add your piece in this post since you now have it identified. I generally do not collect WW1 era items, but may add the few I have also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ON PATROL Posted July 28, 2019 Share #18 Posted July 28, 2019 Here are a couple of shots of your sub caliber gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerradtgrant Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share #19 Posted July 31, 2019 Here are a couple of shots of your sub caliber gunThank you for the pictures helps out it into perspective! Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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