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#1 P-59A

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Posted 10 July 2019 - 06:42 PM

These were a flea market find. The lack of a makers mark and the type pin attachments make me think WW2 era. Is this correct?

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Posted 10 July 2019 - 06:42 PM

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Posted 10 July 2019 - 07:25 PM

Yeah they're WWII era. You see a lot of loose, barely-used Cavalry branch insignia, especially in WWII Armor groups. The Armored Force (the Mark V WWI tank insignia) was not a branch you could commission into - you had to be commissioned in usually Cavalry or Infantry then detailed to the Armored Force (where you wore the tanks on the collar). In the old correspondence from Tank units during the war the officers are still using "Captain, INF" or CAV in their signature blocks. A little confusing.  Mechanized Cavalry recon unit officers still wore these as well as the few horse cavalry units that remained stateside. After the war when they adopted the crossed rifles with the M26 Tank, Armor finally became a branch you could commission into. 



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Posted 11 July 2019 - 04:35 AM

I had no idea...thanks.



#5 Allan H.

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Posted 12 July 2019 - 05:46 AM

Infantry officers assigned to the Cavalry units of the 1st Cavalry Division wore Cavalry collar brass also. They retailed their infantry branch, but for "historical continuity," cavalry brass was worn by officers and enlisted alike.

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Posted 12 July 2019 - 08:00 AM

Can anyone post photo's?



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Posted 13 July 2019 - 12:20 PM

This is one of my favorite uniforms. it is named and dated 1929. The collar brass is not maker marked. With his war service I picture an old horse soldier. watching the times change. The Sam Brown belt has a sword hanger. It is possible he served with buffalo soldiers during the cuban occupation.Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image

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Posted 13 July 2019 - 02:33 PM

That is a very nice item you have. Thanks for posting it.



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Posted 13 July 2019 - 02:52 PM

Never saw an expert medal with a sword listed. A great uniform.

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Posted 21 July 2019 - 01:51 PM

Thanks. From what I can remember reading the expert sword was only for cavelry officers and only until about 1930. They were not sold after 1935. There is also a expert pistol mounted and dismounted.

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Posted 08 August 2019 - 01:54 PM

Yeah they're WWII era. You see a lot of loose, barely-used Cavalry branch insignia, especially in WWII Armor groups. The Armored Force (the Mark V WWI tank insignia) was not a branch you could commission into - you had to be commissioned in usually Cavalry or Infantry then detailed to the Armored Force (where you wore the tanks on the collar). In the old correspondence from Tank units during the war the officers are still using "Captain, INF" or CAV in their signature blocks. A little confusing.  Mechanized Cavalry recon unit officers still wore these as well as the few horse cavalry units that remained stateside. After the war when they adopted the crossed rifles with the M26 Tank, Armor finally became a branch you could commission into. 


...crossed ‘sabers’ with the m26 tank.

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Posted 10 August 2019 - 05:58 PM

...crossed ‘sabers’ with the m26 tank.

 

You are correct Ed - must've been before bed time. 



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Posted 12 August 2019 - 04:28 PM

Nice looking 2nd Cav Div


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