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#1 doyler

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Posted 26 June 2019 - 09:16 AM

Saw this posted today on the recovery of more Marines and Sailors from Tarawa....

 

https://www.cbsnews....qZB5s88IaAvjAp8

 

 



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Posted 26 June 2019 - 09:27 AM

I could be wrong, but I believe we are the only nation in the world that puts forth this much effort to repatriate remains from WW2. A noble effort indeed. 



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Posted 26 June 2019 - 09:55 AM

Yes, just saw the story too; just about ready to post the link myself. Ron and myself had the opportunity to talk with History Flight experts a few years ago and they do great work!

 

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Posted 26 June 2019 - 11:21 AM

Wow. How cool that they still do that! Tarawa is an amazing story.



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Posted 26 June 2019 - 01:17 PM

I could be wrong, but I believe we are the only nation in the world that puts forth this much effort to repatriate remains from WW2. A noble effort indeed. 


I think this has more to do with the fact that the U.S. had to travel so far. In the European Theatre, our allies were literally fighting in their backyard so it was not a long distance to get the bodies home. While there were allies in the Pacific Theatre, the USMC and US Army were the larger fighting units. It was much harder to get the bodies home during the island hopping of the Pacific Theatre.

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Posted 26 June 2019 - 01:22 PM

Our WW2 MIA numbers are tiny compared to the Soviets: "He said that more than 2.4 million people are still officially considered missing in action. Of the 9.5 million buried in mass graves, 6 million are unidentified, he said. Remains are still being found across western Russia and other ex-Soviet republics."

 

https://www.foxnews....versary,00.html



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Posted 26 June 2019 - 01:33 PM

Our WW2 MIA numbers are tiny compared to the Soviets: "He said that more than 2.4 million people are still officially considered missing in action. Of the 9.5 million buried in mass graves, 6 million are unidentified, he said. Remains are still being found across western Russia and other ex-Soviet republics."


True. Russia had a huge loss of life in WWII. The Battle of Stalingrad alone had 1.5 million casualties. I am not sure if you are trying to compare Russia losses to this effort of trying to recover remains In the Pacific. In my opinion, it is a completely different scenario trying to identify 6 million bodies in mass graves to searching for bodies on a remote island. Both are important in their own right but very different.

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Posted 26 June 2019 - 02:17 PM

No, I'm not making a comparison except for the lack of effort by the Russians to recover and identify their war dead as compared to ours. 



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Posted 26 June 2019 - 05:20 PM

No, I'm not making a comparison except for the lack of effort by the Russians to recover and identify their war dead as compared to ours. 


You said "not making a comparison" and " as compared to ours" in the same sentence. 😁

I know you are trying to talk about their lack of effort but you cannot compare the two at all. Can you imagine the logistics of trying to run DNA comparisons to identify 6 million bodies? It would take years and cost millions. Entire families were wiped out. It may be impossible to identify a majority of the bodies. You have to compare the cost against the results. It is just not feasible.

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Posted 26 June 2019 - 07:54 PM

Nice to see another topic had turned into a debate instead of just honoring the work by those involved or honoring the ones recovered.

 

Mods just delete this....



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Posted 27 June 2019 - 03:50 AM

Consistent theme Doyler. I thought the forum guidelines were that you commented on the topic, not other member posts. Seems like a lot of topics are turning into debates lately - add to this the MOH bill, and the WWI memorial getting vandalized.

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 04:08 AM

Consistent theme??? Do you know how many threads on here evolve into discussions and debates? It happens EVERY day on this forum!

We were discussing how all countries try to honor their casualties. There were no harsh words said to each other. It was a discussion!

Edited by cutiger83, 27 June 2019 - 04:13 AM.


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Posted 27 June 2019 - 05:05 AM

And I've been married long enough to know debating a woman is dangerous!

 

My initial statement still stands, of all the combatant countries in WW2, I believe the USA puts forth the most effort to bringing these boys home and it is a noble effort. 

By DoD estimates, there are still 72,000 of them out there unaccounted for. Many will never be found, but we won't stop searching.

https://www.dpaa.mil...g/World-War-II/



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Posted 27 June 2019 - 07:32 AM

And I've been married long enough to know debating a woman is dangerous!
 
My initial statement still stands, of all the combatant countries in WW2, I believe the USA puts forth the most effort to bringing these boys home and it is a noble effort. 


Your wife has taught you well! Hahaha! 😁

I completely agree that this is a very noble act. I also agree that the U.S. puts forth more effort than other countries. I just believe that the reason is logistics. It doesn't mean we care more or less than other countries. Just that there are many factors to the reasons.

As I said, I commend these groups for providing closure to so many families.

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 11:56 PM

Doyler, thanks for posting the OP. Much appreciated.

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Posted 12 July 2019 - 08:20 PM

Good news, bring um all home.  It would have been a lot easier in 1945.

 

 

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#17 hochiminhtrail

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Posted 13 July 2019 - 08:22 AM

Germans do a lot to recover the remains of missing a KIA, they have representative in the east who do collect bodies.
But you can not compare the USA and Russia and Germany as the numbers of KIA and MIA are too far aparart, even between Russia and Germany the numbers are on a different scale


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