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#1 ram957

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Posted 14 June 2019 - 02:17 PM

On EBAY....

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#2 Siamundo

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Posted 14 June 2019 - 03:22 PM

Uhhhh, that's different for sure.



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Posted 14 June 2019 - 03:31 PM

Well . . . maybe a guy did this once. Or else, how would someone get that idea? Super interesting, if only there was a photo showing someone wearing something like this!



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Posted 14 June 2019 - 03:43 PM

The solder is definately old and shows some oxidation front and rear.



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Posted 14 June 2019 - 03:48 PM

A WWII vet friend of mine was rated to wear both navigator and bombardier wings and displayed both in his wall hanging shadow box; Perhaps a vet made this up for a display in a similar fashion.

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Posted 14 June 2019 - 04:42 PM

As CNY pointed out, I think it could have been something done after. But this certainly has some age. But I couldnt see this being worn on a uniform, Im sure a an airman wouldve got some odd looks wearing it

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Posted 14 June 2019 - 10:35 PM

When a bombardier / navigator did this with his wings they called him a "Bombigator."

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Posted 16 June 2019 - 11:06 AM

As CNY pointed out, I think it could have been something done after. But this certainly has some age. But I couldnt see this being worn on a uniform, Im sure a an airman wouldve got some odd looks wearing it

 

Im thinking he would have goten more than weird looks. Especially from his CO. lol

I wouldnt believe it would ever have been worn on a uniform. Military wouldnt allow it.

But its cool as ever and Ive never seen anything like it.

 



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Posted 16 June 2019 - 11:58 AM

That’s a slightly post WW2 Bombigator wing.

There was a Bombigator magazine and information file.

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Posted 16 June 2019 - 12:32 PM

Here is the Bombigator magazine.

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Posted 16 June 2019 - 12:36 PM

Sorry lets try this

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Posted 16 June 2019 - 12:38 PM

Here is a group that I originally found from the vet some time ago.

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Posted 16 June 2019 - 12:39 PM

The pictures are from Bullfrog Valley Military

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Posted 16 June 2019 - 12:42 PM

I also had the Bombigator Information File that had the Bombigator wing on the cover.

I brought the group to the SOS and nobody knew what it was.

Edited by manayunkman, 16 June 2019 - 12:43 PM.


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Posted 16 June 2019 - 12:44 PM

Davis made the wing after the war as he was a bombardier navigator as did others and they wore them.

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Posted 17 June 2019 - 09:56 AM

Interesting Turkish pilot wing, roughly WWII period, in that pic. Wonder when he worked with Turkish Air Force.



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Posted 17 June 2019 - 10:21 AM

After the war he flew jet fighters.

He helped train foreign pilots.

I found this stuff over 20 years ago and dont remember everything

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Posted 17 June 2019 - 10:22 AM

The Davis group has a load of paperwork too.

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Posted 17 June 2019 - 01:03 PM

The Carlsbad Bombardier school used a version of the Bombigator wing on the cover of most of their class books.  Many of the bombardier schools expanded their training programs to include both bombardier and navigator training, with the graduates then being dual-rated.

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Posted 17 June 2019 - 05:57 PM

You see these type of wings periodically.  Here is an old thread:

 

http://www.usmilitar...-wings-to-find/

 

As the war progressed, in many theaters of operations, the number of crew manning each bomber changed, it seemed.  As the USAAF continued to dominate the skies, putting a dedicated bombardier and/or navigator in each bomber was seen as redundant.  Rather than each crew having a bombardier, one of the crew would simple "toggle" the bomb drop off the lead bomber--these "toggliers" weren't actually using the bomb sight to drop bombs.

 

As as the war progressed the need for individually trained bombardiers and navigators was gradually reduced, so many airmen tended to pick up other duties or were phased out.

 

Rarely, you will see novelty wings made up to represent some of these truths.  Here are a couple of other photos of these type of wings, including a "togglier/bombardier" wing.

 

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Posted 19 June 2019 - 08:34 AM

Patrick, that "Togglier-Bombardier" badge is sure unique! Looks like the toggle switch was applied to a British Gaunt-made base wing?

 

Here's a full size "Bombigator" badge that looks like the jeweler removed the center portion of the bomb, then fit the armillary sphere of a shirt-size navigator wing into the space created.

  

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