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#1 JBaird

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Posted 12 March 2019 - 08:17 PM

Sorry about the error in the post title... I tried to change the "DCS" to "DSC" but it wouldn't let me do it...

 

Found this today and saved it from a "junk" pile!  Very nice photograph of a WWI DSC winner.  I have not ventured much into the WWI arena... any ideas on the patch?  Am going to try to ID the man in the photo and am looking for a starting point.

 

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Edited by JBaird, 12 March 2019 - 08:22 PM.


#2 ludwigh1980

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Posted 12 March 2019 - 08:40 PM

Great image, looks to be 40th division.

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Posted 13 March 2019 - 02:01 AM

Could also be a YD patch of the 26th Division.  (very shadowy - could be a sunburst, could be a YD).  Didn't the 40th get split up and dispersed to other units after getting to France?



#4 Brian R

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Posted 13 March 2019 - 04:31 AM

Great picture - it certainly looks like a 40th Division or 26th Division patch. I'd lean towards the YD though given their extensive time at the front relative to the 40th which served mostly as a depot unit.



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Posted 13 March 2019 - 07:35 AM

I don't think it could be 40th Div because of the 3 overseas chevrons, although I can see what you mean. The 40th was just not there that long.  Another possibility could be 4th Div. Their patch was worn with a point up and at that angle it might also look similar to the 40th, but that div usually worn only 2 chevrons. I am inclined to agree with the post above suggesting the 26th Div. They were the first NG Div to reach France and would have worn 3 chevrons. If I try hard I can convince myself that  there is a YD in the center.



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Posted 13 March 2019 - 07:45 AM

….another thing to consider is the color of the patch.  Very hard to tell from a photo, but as I recall, the 40th Div patch had a dark blue background, while both the 4th and 26th Div patches used a more neutral background. The patch in the picture does not appear to be dark and the center does not appear to be the bright yellow or gold of the 40th sunburst. The patch in the picture does look more like the neutral colors of the typical 26th YD patch.



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Posted 13 March 2019 - 07:52 AM

I'm personally leaning towards the 40th. Blew it up as much as I could without distorting the photo. I see what appears to be points, and then an obvious circle in the middle.

 

JBaird,

Can you scan the photo at the highest resolution you're able to, zoom in, then screenshot an image of the patch? May give a clearer image of the patch. Also, not to be a stickler, but he would've been awarded the DSC, as opposed to having won the medal. 

 

Links to the images of the WWI patches, which were pulled from the forum:

 

40th - http://www.usmilitar...ion/#entry86962

26th - http://www.usmilitar...ion/#entry29809

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Posted 13 March 2019 - 12:52 PM

I'm personally leaning towards the 40th. Blew it up as much as I could without distorting the photo. I see what appears to be points, and then an obvious circle in the middle.

 

JBaird,

Can you scan the photo at the highest resolution you're able to, zoom in, then screenshot an image of the patch? May give a clearer image of the patch. Also, not to be a stickler, but he would've been awarded the DSC, as opposed to having won the medal. 

 

Links to the images of the WWI patches, which were pulled from the forum:

 

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Based on that blow-up, I'm sold on it being a 40th Div.



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Posted 13 March 2019 - 01:30 PM

Thanks to all of you have looked at and responded to my post.  I appreciate the input from all of you.  Here are a few more shots of the photograph.... 

 

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Posted 13 March 2019 - 01:31 PM

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 06:10 AM

40th was California NG (where you picked it I am assuming).  There are a couple options here:

 

1. Is he wearing crossed rifle collar insignia? If so...

 

He most likely went over with a different unit, and either transferred to the 40th for a ride home or joined a NG unit after returning.  Most of the 40th's Officers and NCOs stayed in the 40th despite it being a depot division, but after the armistice a lot of veteran officers transferred out for a ride home.  You also find 40th officers who did not see combat transferring to fighting units for the Occupation (ie 3rd Div, 4th Div).  There was definitely some shuffle in personnel. 

Case in point:

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2. Is he wearing crossed cannons collar insignia?  If so...

I am not familiar with the 40th's Artillery Brigades, but if anything like the 41st's (another Depot Div) they would have been detached from the Division to provide Corps level fire support.  He could have easily earned a DSC while attached to a FA Regiment if that were the case. 

 

I would start by cross referencing WWI DSC recipients from where it was purchased, also check Waco Texas recipients.  See if any served after in the 40th (or came home with the 40th).  I would think that if he was only hitching a ride with the 40th, he would be wearing the unit patch for his original unit.  



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Posted 15 March 2019 - 06:37 AM

Disregard..hmm


Edited by AustinO, 15 March 2019 - 06:40 AM.


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Posted 15 March 2019 - 07:01 PM

Disregard..hmm

Thanks for your info and help!

 

Jeff




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