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#76 MattS

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 09:41 AM

No problem! In the first photo, Hap Arnold on the left was a 3-star lieutenant general from December 15, 1941 to March 19, 1943, and Jimmy Doolittle was a brigadier general from April 19, 1942 to November 20, 1942 so it's safe to say this photo dates from April to August of 1942. Generals were the only ranks in the army specifically allowed by regulations to wear miniature rank insignia on their collars.

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 11:22 AM

Here are some photos of a WWII colonel wearing the full size eagle rank insignia on his garrison cap, and another colonel with one on his shirt collar. Weren't clutch-back insignia used for shirt collars? It seems like pin-back ones would hang down. But I haven't seen any full size colonel rank insignia from WWII with clutch backs. I have seen clutch-backs on miniature 1" ones from the 1920s and also from the Vietnam era, but none in full size with clutch-backs from WWII. Lots of pin-back ones, though, which were usually used on the shoulders of the tunic. 

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#78 MattS

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 01:33 PM

I don't know but here's a thread on colonel's eagles that I started: http://www.usmilitar...colonel +eagles



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Posted 14 January 2019 - 05:25 PM

December 1943.

 

This AAF Colonel seems to have a little smaller rank insignia...?

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 05:50 PM

Or he might just be a really big guy! It does look like a variant colonel eagle. His branch insignia looks to me like medical, like maybe he was a flight surgeon attached to the AAF?



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Posted 14 January 2019 - 05:54 PM

Yes! He is the AAF flight surgeon.



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Posted 15 January 2019 - 06:16 AM

Weren't clutch-back insignia used for shirt collars? It seems like pin-back ones would hang down. But I haven't seen any full size colonel rank insignia from WWII with clutch backs. I have seen clutch-backs on miniature 1" ones from the 1920s and also from the Vietnam era, but none in full size with clutch-backs from WWII. Lots of pin-back ones, though, which were usually used on the shoulders of the tunic. 

 

I don't think clutch backs really caught on in WW2 for rank insignia the way they did for the branch and "U.S." insignia. Pin-back seems to have dominated for the collar and cap as well as the shoulder loops.



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Posted Today, 06:08 AM

I picked up a 1943 Officer's Guide and it clearly shows the change in wearing of insignia on the garrison (overseas) cap. While the 1942 edition shows "Distinctive Insignia" being worn, the 1943 shows officer rank and amends the accompanying text accordingly. Interestingly, the diagram has a typo as the "Hat, service" (aka Smokey Bear, Montana Peak, Campaign Hat) is labeled the "Service cap" in the drawing. 

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Posted Today, 09:23 AM

Interesting that so many AAF servicemen liked so much their garrison caps with collar AAF branch insignia. I mean non-cadet AAFers but operational frontline airmen. They never removed those propelled wings from their caps. It was nice.


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Posted Today, 09:35 AM

... not to mention that sometimes they wore two things (against regulations) on their garrison caps -- DUI and rank insignia.

 

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#86 Justin B.

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Posted Today, 10:23 AM

The headgear diagram as it appeared in AR 600-40, March 1944.

 

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Posted Today, 10:52 AM

Ha! Extremely interesting.

 

I have never seen EM from March 1944 wearing DUI. I would say they attached DUIs after VE-Day because such photos are known.




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