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#1 AZPhil

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Posted 03 January 2019 - 01:39 PM

Hello Gent's,

  I want to put together a flight suit setup to recreate what my Buddy Phil wore when he was shot down on April 13th 1944.

 Phil told me he didn't wear the leather outfits. He wore the shiny green ones. Phil was attached to the 8thAF 384th BG 545th BG. as a waist gunner.

 

So for that time frame, what type of pants should I be looking at? A-9,A-10 or A11? 

With what pants selected, I'll go for the jacket that would best match that.

 

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Phil



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Posted 03 January 2019 - 02:25 PM

Could be the F-3 heated flight suit.



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Posted 03 January 2019 - 02:52 PM

Well I guess that is another possibility. Would that have been worn in April 1944


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Posted 03 January 2019 - 04:01 PM

Looking at the F3 that was worn under the garments I am asking about. So something to look for when I get into the finer details of this setup. But I still need some help on which one would be correct for that time. I have checked a Flight gear site and also my Gear Up book for a reference but I'm just not sure which one would be the right one to pursue.

 

 They flew in the B17 from August 1943 till April 13th 1944

 

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Phil


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Posted 03 January 2019 - 07:41 PM

With the heated suits, they were not worn as the top layer.  A flight engineer I know wore his regular uniform, with an F-3 suit over that and a one-piece flight suit over that.  I think the crew members in the backs of the planes tended to wear the heavier separate pants and jackets as the top layers over the electric suits.



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Posted 06 January 2019 - 10:25 AM

After some research, it seems that the correct combo for that time frame would be the B-10 jacket with corresponding A-9 pants. 8th Air Force got these in February of 1944
So if anybody else come looking, There Ya Go!

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 07:58 PM

This is your guy. b-10 over A-9. F-3 suit underneath. a-6 boots. F-2 gloves, A-11 helmet, B-8 goggles A-14 mask3ED7B267-A02F-4EBF-9A4D-A6C2A7F52B54.jpeg

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Posted 08 January 2019 - 02:59 PM

YES SIR!!! That's my guy! Well that is what I want to put together. Awesome display You have there. I Love It!!!

I was asking on your other thread about B-10's. I see a LOT of reproductions. Is there a source for information about identifying the fake from the real?

 

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Phil


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Posted 08 January 2019 - 09:55 PM

I don't know of any one source on ID'ing B-10s.  Some of the Repros have names of wartime production companies in them so if it's worn at all it might sneak past someone.  Feel free to ask if you have one in mind.  At this point I think myself and a few others here could spot the repro's fairly fast.



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Posted 09 January 2019 - 04:14 PM

When I first started looking,  I saw low prices and thought WOW I'll be able to put this together at a relatively inexpensive price.

 Then I saw the ones for 1K and over and thought OHHHHH those must be the real ones! Then looked at there tags and the cheaper ones and the tag matched. That is when I knew I would need help. I do greatly appreciate the offer for help.

 

 

Here is a colorized pic of the Geezil crew when they flew in the Damned Yankee II in March of '44.

 

 Phil is the center bottom row. My uncle Joe is to his right.

 Phil told me he wore this the day they were shot down. He said he put on long johns,(thermal underwear) then the blue heated suit, his uniform then what he referred to as looking like mechanic coveralls. That is what he is wearing in this pic. I also asked about his flight helmet. I asked if it was the leather ones ,he said no the tan cloth one with the big black ears. So I think the AN H 15 with goggles, which I have and he mentioned the O2 mask and throat mic.  So I picked up a A14 and a throat mic.

 colorized 2nd of Fioretti crew.JPG

 

Thanks Again!

Semper Fi

Phil


Edited by AZPhil, 09 January 2019 - 04:17 PM.


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Posted 09 January 2019 - 10:37 PM

The Blue Bunny heated suit is pricey and somewhat hard to find.  I've kept my focus to mid-44 on so it's F-3 suit and the B-10/A-9 combo I've stuck to.  The overalls he's describing are probably an A-4 flight suit or an AN-S-31 Flight suit which are fairly easy to find on eBay.

 

I'd suggest visiting this site:    http://www.303rdbg.c...forms-gear.html

 

It's the 303rd BG and it includes the collection of flight gear of Ed Nored.  His collection is/was amazing.  Sadly he lost it all in the California fires.  But the photo collection and the descriptions should give you all kinds of info on what you are looking for.


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 05:13 AM

Is this Uncle Joe?  to me it looks like he is wearing the blue bunny suit, at least for this photo op, based on the square image on the cuff... and collar 

The guy in the front row middle looks to be wearing coveralls over a blue bunny suit. 

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 07:30 AM

No that not Joe,  Joe is wearing the life preserver.That is T/Sgt Walter Stuhl, Flight Engineer/top turret gunner. KIA when they were shot down April 13th'44. 4 men were KIA that day. CP,TT Radio and Ball turret, 

My avatar is the original pic that was given to me by Phil. Its B/W and the person who did the colorization might not have caught the bunny suit.on Stuhl.

Great eye!!!!

 I have used the 303 site for reference . I am trying for what Phil said he wore. Like mentioned I also have GEAR UP as my reference but some said that is not a rock solid reference.'  

  Thank you for the ID on flight suit.

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Phil


Edited by AZPhil, 11 January 2019 - 07:32 AM.


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Posted 11 January 2019 - 02:42 PM

I tried to use the edit function on the statement I made above ,but that must disappears after a certain time.

 

"He said he put on long johns,(thermal underwear) then the blue heated suit, his uniform then what he referred to as looking like mechanic coveralls".

 

I reread my notes on what Phil's sequence of dressing that day and it was Thermals, Uniform , Blue bunny suit then coveralls.

 

So phantomfixer's observation are correct that would be the blue bunny suit under Phil's coveralls.

 

 I might have to get this pic touched up to represent the correct colors being worn.

 

This is really some great info.

 

Thanks again.

 Semper Fi

Phil


Edited by AZPhil, 11 January 2019 - 02:53 PM.


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Posted 11 January 2019 - 04:13 PM

Phil,

It was not at all uncommon for the one-piece HBT suit (aka "mechanic's coveralls") to be worn as an alternative to the issue flying suit as an outer layer over an electric suit and other clothing. I would hazard to guess that we are seeing just that in the crew photo you have of him. Note the notched lapels, which would not be found on the A-4 or AN-S-31 flight suits, but is a feature of the HBT suits.

Regards, Paul

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 04:50 PM

A quick Internet search found this example of an HBT suit being worn by the right waist gunner (standing, far right) of a B-17G of the 336th BS, circa March 1944. http://www.95thbg-ho...om/page402.html

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 06:24 PM

I had the wrong airman...after rereading the post...Paul is correct about Phil's outer garmet being HBT coveralls...
Srry for the confusion

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Posted 13 January 2019 - 08:26 AM

Thank You Gent's
Great info that I can now use to search for this set up.
I really do appreciate your help.

Thanks Again
Semper Fi
Phil


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