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#1 tdurbinmas

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Posted 03 November 2018 - 11:17 AM

Are there many (any) old style pre WW2 blue Marine Cirps Flags in private hands?

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#2 Bob Hudson

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Posted 03 November 2018 - 11:43 AM

Great looking piece. I cannot recall one being shown on the forum before.



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Posted 03 November 2018 - 12:11 PM

I've never seen one? 



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Posted 03 November 2018 - 12:13 PM

Simply gorgeous, reminds me of the 5th Marines and 6th Marines WWI vintage flags on display at the Marine Corps museum. Gorgeous artifacts.



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Posted 03 November 2018 - 12:43 PM

Can we see a close up of the EGA! Comparing it to others in the Marine Corps museum collection. Thank you!

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Posted 03 November 2018 - 01:13 PM

from: http://www.militarym.../SDMarines.html

 

"On 1 March 1924, the base that had been developed as a result of the vision and efforts of General Pendleton became, officially, the Marine Corps Base, Naval Operating Base, San Diego."

 

So would that be the earliest this flag was used?



#7 tdurbinmas

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Posted 03 November 2018 - 02:22 PM

EGA

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Posted 03 November 2018 - 02:44 PM

Are the Marine Corps Museum flags available to look at online? If so can you Share a web address?

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Posted 03 November 2018 - 02:51 PM

Is that embroidery or appliques?



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Posted 03 November 2018 - 02:55 PM

Full embroidery I believe

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Posted 03 November 2018 - 04:09 PM

Wow, that is really nice, congrats!!!



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Posted 04 November 2018 - 09:38 AM

This seems to be the one that was on ebay a couple of times several months ago and didn't sell.  

 

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Posted 04 November 2018 - 09:49 AM

This seems to be the one that was on ebay a couple of times several months ago and didn't sell.  

 

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I did not see that one, but I did see a Washington DC area company selling reproduction blue Marine flags for something like $600.



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Posted 04 November 2018 - 10:34 AM

Yes, Bob.  At the time this flag was listed, I also found out about that.  That's why I think it didn't sell.

 

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Posted 04 November 2018 - 11:30 AM

Yes, Bob.  At the time this flag was listed, I also found out about that.  That's why I think it didn't sell.

 

Steve

 

The fake/repo I saw seemed to have printed appliques instead of embroidery.



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Posted 04 November 2018 - 12:18 PM

National Capital Historic Sales run by George Peterson is who is flooding ebay with I assume Asian made reproduction unit flags of all sorts (He is selling them as repros), but they do seem to be embroidered. Not to the same quality level as the originals, and not cheap either.  I need to see what the tags look like. I saw a few at last years SoS I thought might be his work, but I needed to look closer and never got back to it.



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Posted 04 November 2018 - 12:34 PM



National Capital Historic Sales run by George Peterson is who is flooding ebay with I assume Asian made reproduction unit flags of all sorts (He is selling them as repros), but they do seem to be embroidered. Not to the same quality level as the originals, and not cheap either.  I need to see what the tags look like. I saw a few at last years SoS I thought might be his work, but I needed to look closer and never got back to it.

 

That's what I saw...his look new and he sells them as BRAND NEW for $600 - $750.

 

The original seems to have much more detail:

 

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Posted 04 November 2018 - 02:16 PM

The San Diego Base Flag appears to be a 20s or 30s vintage piece. The fabric is very well preserved silk, still quite soft without any fractures. The yellow fringe also appears to be silk, knotted strands. The lined pole sleeve and leather tabs are consistent with QM made Flags although a label is not present. The embroidery is absolutely consistent with PQMD style, materials and quality. If anyone has photos of similar period flags Id love to see for comparison.

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Posted 04 November 2018 - 03:04 PM

I would think this San Diego Base flag has to be one of a kind and it's hard to imagine too many similar ones in private hands. I believe we had some discussion on the forum before  about Marine guidon, regimental flags, etc never being released from the Corps except in rare cases. 

 

The Spirit of 1917 recruiting poster :

 

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Posted 04 November 2018 - 04:54 PM

The only unit flags you see released are unit guidons, usually framed gifts to commanders when they leave a unit. However, we usually purchase a new one from a shop out in town or the supply chain than give the actual guidon.



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Posted 04 November 2018 - 08:46 PM

Thus far, the evidence is looking pretty convincing that the OP's flag may be good.  Still, I'm somewhat skeptical.  As far as remarks here, and my own experience, we've never seen any evidence of this flag actually existing as a real base flag.  This one popped up at the same time the Peterson flags did.  While the quality is different, that's by no means conclusive.  Do we have empirical evidence of it being actually used at the Recruit Depot?  Bob, you live near San Diego.  Perhaps you could go visit the museum/archive at USMCRD and see if they have any evidence of this flag existing.  Should you find photographic evidence of it, that would certainly help.  



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Posted 05 November 2018 - 06:14 AM

Here is a photo of a similar flag hanging at the USMCRD museum in San Diego

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Posted 05 November 2018 - 07:37 AM

Your flag and the 1917 poster:

 

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The MCRD flag looks like it could have been the model for the repro flags: 

 

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Posted 05 November 2018 - 08:28 AM

The topic fascinates me because your flag looks so cool, and there seems to be little online about the history of Marine Corps flags and colors.

 

Here a nice shot of what they call a "WW1" flag

 

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Posted 05 November 2018 - 08:38 AM

This was taken in Shanghai, 1932:

 

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